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willie

11-25-2003 17:55:56




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I need a new chainsaw in the 50 - 60cc range. I would like some opinions on Husqvarna vs Stihl vs John Deere. I would like something with an 18-20" bar for cutting some 16" black locust. Is 50 - 60cc enough for occasional use.




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HJP

11-29-2003 17:22:52




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I HAVE A 046 MAG (72)CC LOVE IT ,IT REPLACED A 93 CC JONSERED 0930 SUPER
STIHL USES TORQUE NOT RPMS LIKE HUSKY 10,500 VS 13000.
MY BUDDY WITH A 372XP HAS TO USE A SEMI CHISEL CHAIN BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE TORQUE TO USE A FULL CHISLE/ ON THE SAME BRAND,KIND AND SIZE BAR.I GAVE HIM ONE TO TRY,I LET HIM FIX ANYTHING HE WANTED TO ON HIS SAW BEFORE I DESIMATED HIM, SAME CC BUT BORE /STROKE RATIOS DICTATE BREAK AND PEAK TORQUE/HP AT A GIVEN RPM. TORQUE = WORK
, HE HAS TO SPIN HIS AT 13000 (MORE WEAR REGUARDLESS OF HOW MANY RINGS VS MY 10,500 AND A FULL CHISLE)AND LOOKING AT PROFESSIONAL ISSUES (FUEL CONSUMPTION) PER A KILLOWATT = $$$$$ SAVED OVER THE LIFE OF THE SAW/ISNT A SAW AN INVESTMENT ?
WARNING: FULL CHISLES ARE NOT FOR BEGINERS !!!!
EVERONE HAS A BRAND LOYALTY/KINDA LIKE TROGANS
DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS:).

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HJP

11-29-2003 17:29:34




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 Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to HJP, 11-29-2003 17:22:52  
BUY FROM A LOCAL DEALER (THAT KNOWS HIS PRODUCTS),YOU MAY PAY MORE BUT LIKE MINE,IF YOU NEED PARTS ,SERVICE , WEEDWACKER OR ANY OTHER POWER EQUIPEMENT I GET THE RED CARPET/ INSTEAD OF A KID THAT ONLY KNOWS WHAT A PLAYSTATION IS.



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Jarod

11-27-2003 20:13:09




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Willie, Occasional use does not warrant an expensive saw. I supervise several tree crews and each guy has a different preference of saw. Many aren't even made anymore.... Many "store brands" such as John Deere or craftsman are manufactured by Homelite or husqvarna. What you really need to consider is the service availability in your area. If there is a GOOD lawn/small engine repair shop in your area? pick the brand that is serviced there regardless of whether you buy it there. Parts and repair will be easy and you will have a lot less trouble with replacement bars and chain.

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Al m

11-27-2003 14:42:12




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
my old saw is a stihl 028,it has passed the test of time but has always been a little tempermental,doesn't like to idol,poor air filter design plugs and must be cleaned every fill up.My new saw is a husky rancher 55,seams equal in power,easier to start and the air induction/filter system is superior to stihl.The main reason I switched to husky is the dealer I like and trust switched to husky.Give your money to small buisiness,not a box store and you will be rewarded with personal support and attention you can't find at home depo.
my opinion
Al

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Van

11-26-2003 22:22:21




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
The Husqvarna will outcut the same size Stihl when new. During the life of the saws the Stihl will catch up and pass the Husky for speed, reason? The Stihl has a conventional two ring piston and the Husky has one ring and wears the bore out faster due to friction. Both good saws and I have ran both but have two Stihls now and one is a 038 Super that I bought new in 1983. It still gets it on and will cut with my 2002 MS 440 which is a slightly larger engine.

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jokers

11-27-2003 21:59:58




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 Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to Van, 11-26-2003 22:22:21  
Sorry Van, but you are mistaken. Did your Stihl dealer tell you to say that?

There is plenty of info regarding single ring design and performance on the net already so I`m not going to try and educate you. Check this out though. Stihl has used single ring pistons and most modern Huskies use two rings. Longevity and durability are affected by many factors including design and materials. The single ring myth is anecdotal and an old wives tale but Stihl marketers seem to know that most people will never exert the energy to check it out.

Russ

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Van

11-28-2003 06:43:57




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 Re: Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to jokers, 11-27-2003 21:59:58  
You got me wondering and I checked it out. The Stihl webpage shows the current use of two piston rings, (they even have a picture), as far as I know they have always used two rings. My 1983 038 Super has two also, this is a fact. Both saws are great products, its just like the Chevy vs. Dodge vs. Ford argument. Which ever one people have and like is the best.
Van



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Van

11-28-2003 04:59:32




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 Re: Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to jokers, 11-27-2003 21:59:58  
That may well be the case now, in the 80's I wore out two Huskys and we overhauled one and it had one ring, I noticed that the Stihls dont wind as tight or cut as fast as the Huskys but seem to live longer with the same use and care. And no the Stihl dealer did not tell me to say that! My dealer sells both brands and also Johnsred. I guess every one has their favorite brand.



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jokers

11-28-2003 06:58:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to Van, 11-28-2003 04:59:32  
Hi Van
I don`t come here to argue since the vast majority of posters here are respectful to each other. When I read your post it sounded like just some more of the same old Stihl marketing rhetoric, in hindsight I apologize to you for my post based on that assumption.

As I pointed out however, your info is dated and incomplete.

I have both Huskies and Stihls and find the quality to be comparable. I`ve also had single and dual ring piston saws and know that durability or performance isn`t as simply tied to how many rings the piston has.

BTW, there are many Stihls which rev the way Huskies are noted for. Just off the top of my head the ms260/026 turns 14k, the ms440/044, ms460/046, ms660/066 all run 13.5k and the new ms270 is purported to run at 15k to go head to head with the Husky 346xp(14.7) which eats the 026s lunch. Just for the record, I have two 026s and two ms260 Pros, only one 346xp. I just like the way the 026s feel and there is some intangible sentimental connection in them for me. A topic for a different discussion, LOL.

One thing that I have noted is more bottom end failures in Stihls, as in crank bearings and broken cranks, both on the flywheel side and clutch side. I`d much rather do a ring job which costs about $25 and takes about a half hour than have to replace crank bearings or trash what was a good runner with a broken crank.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of either brand gives satisfying service to the user and are rightly the premier brands in chainsaws. Features vary between brands but you can almost pick your favorite color scheme and be happy.

Russ

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Van

11-28-2003 07:32:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to jokers, 11-28-2003 06:58:35  
Russ, I didnt come to argue either, I just gave my honest opinion on the saws and If I couldn't for some reason have one, I would want the other as they are both outstanding world class machines. They easily outperform anything else out there, for ease of use and longevity. I had a Stihl 028 woodboss in the early 80's that almost made me not buy my 038 Super, it was the most troublesome piece of equipment that I owned. Maybe I just got a lemon, I dont know, looking now at a lightwieght Husky or Johnsred for limbing and climbing with, may possibly get another Stihl. Did not mean to offend you and appoligize if I did. Hope you had a great T-Day.
Van

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Jason

11-26-2003 15:38:53




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
here is another opinion Husky 350, excellent power to weight, low vibration, light weight, decomp button, list price $300 a heck of a good saw for the money. We currently have 3 of them. Bailey's is running a christmas special on them, I would also take a look at comerical cutters and see what they have for a price. We use the 350's for working small stuff as well as limbing and bucking. The 372XP's are better for falling, larger chain and more power. I did use my 350 on a couple of 20" oaks yesterday, would have liked more power but got them down safely.

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Robert in W. Mi

11-26-2003 12:36:04




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I guess this is another one of those questions that always gets a lot of different answers, so i'll kick mine in too.

I use to have Stihl saws, but they sure aren't the saw they use to be. The company just doesn't seem to care like it "use to"!

Loggers around here have for the most part, all switched to Husqvarna, and so have i. I now have (4) Huskys, and none of them have needed anything but gas and oil right out of the box. If the day comes i need another saw, it will be another Husky!!

BTW, the Husky "electric" saw is "great" too!!!

Robert

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jim

11-26-2003 08:16:48




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Do this for a living, working on them, the John Deere is a yellow Homelite, unless they changed, Stihl are ok, but if you buy the odd number saws, they are homeowner saw, even number are pro saws, husky, are not all they are cracked up to be, hard to get parts, The best saw I have ever had my hands on, bar none is a Redmax, made by Komatsu-Zenoah, they start easy, excellant power to weight ratio, easy to work on if need be. I know Stihl has a good? name for most people, but if you work on them, then you change your thinkin real quick. Redmax dealers are few and far between, but Redmax wants quality over quanity.

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Mike

11-26-2003 08:31:34




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 Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to jim, 11-26-2003 08:16:48  
I think you are right about the Deere. It is yellow, and appears to be a dead wringer for a Homelite. Heard that they were not very good, but like I said...used it a lot and have been satisfied...spending only $138...really can't complain. It has been an excellent value.



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Stick

11-27-2003 00:03:36




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 Re: Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to Mike , 11-26-2003 08:31:34  
I'm a real oddball..... I have a brand new Husky 365.....I love it for power, but it's heavy, too heavy for wife to use. I also have an old JD saw, model 18 or 19 comes to mind..... circa late 1960's. It's about a 45 or 50cc, and I've had it 30 years and only ever put a couple of plugs into it. Still has the original points. Lost count of all the bars, chains and clutches though. LOL!

The loggers here use mainly Husky too.

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Mike

11-26-2003 08:15:30




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I have also heard that Stihl or Husquvarna are the best, but did NOT buy either one.

I was looking at them, and then bought a brand new John Deere still in the box on EBAY from a Deere dealer that was going out of business. It seemed like too good a deal to pass up. (Got it for $138.)

It has been two years now, and have cut a fair amount of wood. I burn an average of 8-10 cords a winter, and have also used it for cleaning a lot of brush.

I have to admit that it has been a very good saw and have had no problems with it. Even though it is small (aprox 38cc and 16 inch bar), I can keep up with my friends who use Jonsred, Husquvarna, and Stihl. It cuts just as fast and has been as reliable.

Just my 2 cents.

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KX

11-26-2003 07:17:37




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Don't buy one from the guy that is digging a trench with his. Seriously, Husqvarna or Stihl. I wouldn't even consider that cheap one at the big home improvement warehouse with the jd stickers on it.



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John K

11-26-2003 06:44:32




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Bought a Stil two years ago when I bought 20 acres. Had six acres of wind fall to clear, the Stil worked better than expected. Thinking of buying a small Stil for use when riding the quad to clean downed trees on the trails.



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Indydirtfarmer

11-26-2003 03:15:21




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I bought a new Stihl last August. It's one of the new models. I believe it's a MS26 or something to that effect. I got a 16' and a 20' bar, and several chains for each. It is quite a saw. I replaced my old Husky. It was a good saw also, but it was HEAVY. The new Stihl is light, and very powerful. It could handle a bigger bar, but 99% of the time I don't need any bigger than what I have. Stihl has a great warrenty, and a quality product. I have a dealer, within 5 minutes of my house, so it was a no-brainer for me. They're not cheap, but when I'm spending that much money, what's a few more bucks, when it comes to getting something that'll outlast the competition. Get a Stihl, You won't be sorry. JMHO, John

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KURT (mi)

11-26-2003 02:44:28




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I have a 029 Stihl farm boss, I bought it in 1998 and have cut down alot of trees and logged em up. That saw is incredible. cost me $340.



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Fred P

11-25-2003 21:04:37




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I like Stihls. The dealer is the biggest factor in which saw to get. If there was a good husky dealer near by I would think about one. I have a real good Stihl dealer so that is where I deal and six shihls that I have, have all been good saws. I like the longest bar that the dealer will put on the saw. It takes a little longer to sharpen, but I can stand up to do most of the cutting. I feel that it is safer to be standing with both feet well planted, rather than bent over or down on one leg. I do have a 18" bar on my little o19. I use that saw for tree climbing work. On my other saws I use 24 to 36 inch bars. I feel that I can get more done and feel better at the end of the day if I am using a 28" or 32" bar. Picking out a saw is like picking out new shose it has to fit you and what you are going to do with it. If I was going to get a new saw to cut fire wood around the farm with I would look at the smallest saw that would take a 24" bar.

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M.R.

11-25-2003 19:58:12




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
The 50-60cc is a nice mid-range saw. Not the brand you asked about, but one I sure would'nt shy away from.

I bought a makita which is made by dolmar 1.5-2 years ago, it about ready for the 4th chain and I like this saws handling & power way above my 036 pro. Just wish it had the side type chain adjustment.

Copy & Paste the link it will take you to another 'Timber Rats' site. If you want a little action just tell them "you heard that Dolmar is the Honda of the chainsaws" http://www.arboristsite.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9

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Brian

11-25-2003 19:43:21




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Looks like Stihl has changed model numbers. (?) I went to Stihl.com to compare & don't see the older numbers listed anywhere.



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RJ-AZ

11-25-2003 19:00:15




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I looked and I shopped around and talked to friends. I got lucky when I was cutting some Doug Fir that the Forest Service had thinned.There were two guys cutting in the same spot as me one had a Husq. nad the other a Stihl and They let me try them out and Ifound them to be pretty equal.I put them side by side and liked the Features on the Stihl better.Went out and bought a Stihl 310MS the next day and so far so good. My 22 year old John Deere (Echo) is now my backup saw.

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Al

11-25-2003 18:47:07




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Have friends of mine - 3 brothers that cut a lot of wood. They used both sthil and husqvarna. They did however rebuild a sthil as they thought it worth doing.



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EIL

11-25-2003 18:16:44




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
I have done a lot of research on saws and have finally come to the conclution that husky ans stihl saws are equal. Both offer consumer and pro model saws, both hold up very well, both have many options in saw modles, and both are priced about the same. John deere saws are less common then the other two brands mentioned. My dad owns a husky 345 and he loves it. When you go to buy a saw, pay more attention to the dealer support. Some shops will try to rip you off when it comes time to get the saw serviced. Just a little fyi, the stihl saw model 029 has a very bad rap for being heavy for the power it puts out, therefore most people stary away from that model.

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bob

11-25-2003 18:38:06




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 Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to EIL, 11-25-2003 18:16:44  
In past years Husky was a little lighter in weight & less prone to minor breakdowns that Stihl but its about 6 of one, half-dozen of the other type thing. JD saws are really Efco (Italian) saws repainted.



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Pete

11-25-2003 18:09:43




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 Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to willie, 11-25-2003 17:55:56  
Willie,
I am in the process of buying a new saw (the Stihl 026 Pro I had got burned in a fire) but this time I am going to get a Husqavarna (sp?) 55 Rancher, mainly on account of the dealer support. The Stihl was about 48cc displacement and the Husky is 53. Both have 18" bars and should be about the same performance. The Stihl was a good saw but I know people with both and they seem to be equal. Good luck, Pete

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Mark

11-25-2003 20:14:08




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 Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to Pete, 11-25-2003 18:09:43  
Jonserud is the same as Husquavarna, both made by elecrolux of Europe (Sweden). Excellent saws: the best. Stihl right behind. I cut alot of wood in N MN and have tried them all...In fact other than Electrolux or Stihl, there are no great saws.

Mark in MN



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tony marks

12-05-2003 14:54:20




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 Re: Re: Re: what chainsaw to buy in reply to Mark, 11-25-2003 20:14:08  
i would have to differ there. oleomac,echo, dolmar,,al make good pro saws.. stihl and husq just got better marketing,and of course good saws.



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