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Ted

11-25-2003 05:14:31




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I thought I read a discussion on this site a while back regarding gun safes. My concern is removing or controlling moisture. I am aware of two products: an electrical type you plug in called "golden rod" I've seen advertised in magazines and also a silica gel product that absorbs moisture. Does anyone have experience or opinions regarding these products or this problem?




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Ray,IN

11-27-2003 19:34:02




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I use "damp out". It's in a cottage cheese type container, non-renewable, and cheap to buy. It absorbs moisture into the granules and develops standing water on top on the granules that must be poured off occasionally depending on humidity levels. Each container will last approx. 3 months, and costs under $4. I never find any corrosion on my guns or knifes, and some of the old guns have been there for over a year with only an annual wiping down with a gun cloth.

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Wayne

11-25-2003 20:42:05




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I don't know about gun safes, but I put a pan of kitty litter mixed with baking soda in a 55Chevy Wagon that I wrecked 13 years ago before I put it out to pasture awaiting future re-restoration(...just got the shop built to do it in now I just have to get it paid off first...) I have changed the mix maybe 4 times over the years, and it's still about 98% sealed even after the rollover so it doesn't get alot of moisture inside. Even after this long there is no mold/mildue visible anywhere inside nor is there any musty odor that would normally be expected. I'd say if it can protect red velour and white vinal that long with the car outside under a tarp then it would do wonders inside in a safe. Plus like one post said you can put it in the stove and dry and reuse it. Just my .02...

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James in North Carolina

11-25-2003 15:42:37




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
In my gun safe I use a Golden Rod and two containers of dessicant. One is about the size of a can of snuff and the other is about 1.5"x3"x5".

I put the smaller one in the oven to dry out every other weekend and the larger one about once every 2 months. I'm sure the Golden Rod helps, but I would take the dessicant over it.

I use mil surplus gun oil on mine a couple times a year. That along with the dessicant keeps them looking fine. I have two I bought a few years back that I never removed from the cosmo.

My wife and I closed on our new house today so I have to have the safe movers come and move mine to its new home this coming week. James

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souNdguy

11-25-2003 11:31:00




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I also collect guns and have about ..lets see... about 9 gun safes right now, and have used 3 different prodects. 1, being the electric heating rod, and 2 being hte silica gel . Both worked adequately.. but I didn't like buying and throwing away the silica gel packets, and didn't like the long term power usage from a heating element. I try to be a bit 'green' where possible.. like solar batter tenders, and solar powered electric fence chargers ( they work great.. just ask my cattle and dogs! ).

The last product I tried, and am still using is a granular clay? looks like bentonite a little ( kitty litter ). But the nice thing is it is regenerable... just bake for a few minutes to flash off the moisture. Sometimes I even 're-coup' 'waste' heat and throw a few packs in the oven right after the wifes has used the oven to cook.. though not while cooking is going on.. as the packets also absorb odors, etc.. and voc's I'm guessing. I'll grab the name of them if someone reminds me via email.

As for the comment about a protectant... good idea. I've used a few different products.

Everything from rem gun oil ( didn't like.. but good as a temp protector for a gun thet gets used frequently... also silicone rod and gun cloths / sprays fall in this category.. and I like them ok.. shed water good.. easy to clean off for a 'daily use gun ) to milsurp style storage oils. Wipes on as an oil.. cures to a waxlike film. I like that one.. though you need to clean it off with a bit of the original product on a cloth, and then buff.. comes out to a nice finish.

I've even used a light grade synthetic oil, in a spray can.. it is a metal protectant... recomended by my machinest... also leaves a bit of a sticky film.. easilly removed.

Both of the previous require quite a few minutes of 'removal / buffing' to return the gun to use.. so not great ideas as an everyday use protector.. though good for medium storage.. like seasonal use.

For long term storage, I have gone back to what the big gun people did for years... cosmolene packing and linen / muslin wrapping.. or even wax paper and cosmo..

It is a bit hard to find.. but is bar none the best I've seen for protection. I restored a type 38 jap 'bring home trophy' rifle that a buddy found in his grandfathers cellar a few years ago. it was laying coverd in old newsprint in standing water.. yet was wrapped in an old dufflebag packed in cosmo.. only had slight pitting where sharp corners abraded thru the cosmo ont he dufflebag cloth... must have been there decades...

For guns with powder finish or dry matte parkerized finished.. where you don't want to oil the surfaces ( e.g. certian military small arms.. ) I've found brakekleen in the spray can removes all fingerprints and residues, and gun dries in a few seconds .. just handle with a dry cloth, and wrap and store..

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Carsten

11-25-2003 10:43:50




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I don't know how the Dissicant stuff work in a safe in or outside the house. I got the great idea of using it my workshop ( shed ). I use lidded plastic boxes for almost all of my tools etc. and wrapped some "Dissicant ?" in paper towels and put in the boxes. Well they absorbed so much moisture during the summer month I would have water in the bottom of the boxes. I guess it works better inside than in an area like my workshop. If you use it outside you will need to ensure you use check and dry it frequently.

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Ribbitt

11-25-2003 10:19:07




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
The Golden Rod helps, for sure. It is no substitute for a chemical film coating like Breakfree CLP. My personal favorite is Rust Prevent from Shooter's Choice. The dessicant packs are a good idea, too. Guns need all the help they can get when it comes to fighting rust. If you use a Golden Rod and/or dessicant, I would not open the door unnecesssarily, especially if the safe is in a non-air conditioned area like a garage.

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KURT

11-25-2003 08:34:21




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I have heard (dont know if is true) that if you open the safe and let it air out every few days for a few hours and let the air circulate this will help with humidity. Also oil those guns.



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James in NC

11-25-2003 06:43:30




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I bought a moisture absorbing box from cabela's. It is about six inches tall and is rated for much more volume that my 20 gun safe. The pack in side the box can be put in the oven to dry it back out and reuse. I have had it about a year and have not dried it out yet. It was less than $10 and I am satifisied with it.



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Mac

11-25-2003 06:24:45




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
Ted: I use those small packs of ??Desicant???Dont know if its spelled right or not. But my safe is in the house. Still once or twice a year I check them out and wipe down with a slightly oiled rag. Dont leave no fingerprints either. Works for me. Legs dont want me to hunt anymore, but I am still proud of my weapons.



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TimV

11-25-2003 06:08:09




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
Ted: I use the gel packs myself in my gun cabinet. However, that's simply because I have ready access to them--we buy them by the barrel (literally) at work. I put in 3 or 4 packs, change them a couple of times a year, and I've never had a corrosion problem.



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JF

11-25-2003 06:05:42




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 Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to Ted, 11-25-2003 05:14:31  
I use Break Free clp.Only have to wipe down at end of season,last all year.Best gun oil I have ever had.



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Ludwig

11-25-2003 09:32:03




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 Re: Re: Gun Safe Moisture in reply to JF, 11-25-2003 06:05:42  
Break Free is great stuff I use it on everything. To my way of thinking its the best spray lubricant ever made.



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