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Mack

11-11-2003 18:28:08




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I have to run some cement this week and we are having quite a bit of below freezing temptures. I am worried about the cement freezing. I have heard about something that you can put into the mix that will stop it from freezing. If there is somebody who can help me out here, I would appreciate it. (What, how much, etc.etc.)




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charlie

11-12-2003 16:46:00




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 Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Mack, 11-11-2003 18:28:08  
get 6 bag mix with hot water.calcium works but our work time is short and sets faster then you sometimes want it to.IDOT won't us use anything but hot water and nca on brige decks on account of corrosion with calcium.if your tempertures aren't extreme and your not pouring on frost go with 6 bag and hot water.to cover use 2 layers of 6 mil poly,preferubly white,but clear will work.good luck.



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paul

11-12-2003 08:59:44




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 Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Mack, 11-11-2003 18:28:08  
I have no personal experience, myself. Living in Minnesota, the topic does come up. ;)

I hear a lot of folks who used CC in the mix regret it years later. Mostly it works, but sometimes it does not. Seems like a person is rolling the dice.

Highway contractor ran months behind on the highway pavement a mile from me. The 8 mile section they layed in November, said in the paper it will be just fine, they use special chemicals that freezing won't bother it. The other 15 miles they laid the next summer.

Took 5 years, the stuff they laid in Novemer is all cracked & crazed. Ten years, & they are mapping & discussing (who's responsible/ who pays?) & overlaying tar - 1/2 mile section was so bad the tore it out & layed all tar.The summer poured section is holding up well - same materials, same company did both sections.

No official pronouncement, but 'everybody' talking off the record is saying it was laid too cold & the chemical made the concrete weak.

Concrete gives off a lot of heat when it cures. If you are pouring a big thick chunk, temps down to 20 degrees will be just fine, if: the ground is not frozen; you cover it with insulation as others say; will it warm up to above freezing during the day & only freeze over night? Curing concrete will throw enough heat to keep itself warm over night f it has a chance during the day to warm again.

If this is a thin 4" ribbon that chills through faster than it can heat, then I'd think long & hard. I personally would not use the antifreeze stuff in concrete in my projects based on what I have heard locally. I'd figure out insulation or wait until spring. This is stuff that should last 20-50 years, one mistake now and you have decades of junk.

--->Paul

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Dennis

11-12-2003 05:54:50




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 Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Mack, 11-11-2003 18:28:08  
You do not want to utilize calcium cloride. It is designed to speed up the set of concrete, which you need in cold temperatures, but there are many other non-cloride accelerators that are much better. Check with your supplier. You should NOT pour on a frozen sub-base and you should keep the slab insulated from freezing for a minimum of 7 days and preferrably 28 days for best results. I would use insulated blankets designed for this type of construction. If not available or cost prohibitive, an insulation of plastic, 1 foot of straw, and a tarp covering it all would be a great improvement. The cement in the concrete slab needs to hydrate and freezing will stop that process.
Air entrainment in concrete is for a better final product that is exposed to the freeze thaw cycles after complete hydration is achieved. Concrete can hydrate for 28 days or more if conditions are right.
Chemical additives help placement and finishing but good practice is the best method to getting a final product that will perform as needed. Hope this helps. Good Luck. Dennis

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PatM

11-12-2003 05:53:25




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 Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Mack, 11-11-2003 18:28:08  
Not only is calcium chloride corrosive, it speeds the hydration and weakens the concrete. Go with the visqueen over the slab and a good layer of straw, or insulated concrete blankets (you should be able to rent the balnkets). If the ground isn't frozen you should be okay. The concrete will take longer to set in cooler weather.

Most state DOT's and other government agencies require 40 or 45 and rising to place concrete. No frozen ground, ice, etc. on the ground or previous lift, and then protected from cold for at least a week.

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Charles(Mo)

11-12-2003 03:32:20




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 Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Mack, 11-11-2003 18:28:08  
Having the calcium cloride in the cement will really help. After the concrete is set up, I would lay plastic over it and cover with a thick layer of straw. You can check with the concrete plant and see if they have concrete blankets you could use or rent. You only need to do this if the temps get below 20 degrees, and after a couple of days it should be okay.

hth
Charles



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Mike Schotte

11-12-2003 05:22:38




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 Re: Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Charles(Mo), 11-12-2003 03:32:20  
Concrete should only be poured with the temperatures at 50 degrees and rising.

The hydration of the cement generates heat- but not enough to keep you out of trouble in freezing weather. You have to resort to blankets and heaters usually.

NOTE: Calcium chloride is not allowed in commercial construction projects because it is a corrosive salt. It will EAT your steel rebar and will also corrode aluminum that's in contact with the concrete. I had them remove an entire building slab last year because the batch plant had added C.C. to the mix without approval.

Another addmixture that helps with freezing is an "air entraining agent." This is usually used (I think) as a plasticizer... but as an added benefit, you get some freeze protection, too.

The air entraining agent causing the formation of lots of tiny air bubbles inside the mix- allowing places for freezing water to expand without (hopefully) spalling off the concrete.

In extreme weather, you can order your concrete mix made with heated water- but I've never seen it done.

Good luck, and don't let that stuff freeze unless you want to buy a jackhammer! (grin)

-Schotte

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Bob

11-11-2003 21:24:54




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 Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Mack, 11-11-2003 18:28:08  
"What" is calcium chloride, "How Much", I don't know.



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deadeye

11-12-2003 01:02:04




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 Re: Re: Freezing Cement in reply to Bob, 11-11-2003 21:24:54  
Order from your local ready mix company. They will have it already mixed in for you...deadeye



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Jimmy King

11-12-2003 03:31:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Freezing Cement in reply to deadeye, 11-12-2003 01:02:04  
Also cover it with straw.



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