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Welding Aluminum

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F14

07-15-2000 09:04:30




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I have a Lincoln SP-130-T MIG welder. Is there any combination of gas (or gasses) and wire that would allow me to weld aluminum with it?

I checked the archives, and most info has to do with gas welding with aluminum rod.




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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-16-2000 06:35:37




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 Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to F14, 07-15-2000 09:04:30  
Yes sir,
At 130 Amps, you will be able to weld 1/8" aluminum with argon gas. You can weld 1/4" in short passes if you preheat using the C2H2 trick.

For maximum heat output in non-ferrous metals, an argon/helium mix will be beneficial. Helium does nothing more than transfer heat and it does that very well.

Mark also points out the importance of a liner dedicated to aluminum. A teflon liner is best for aluminum and will help aleviate feeding problems. A knurled drive roll will help prevent slippage. Keeping the gun cable as straight as possible is also a plus.

Of course, if feeding problems persist, U.S. Alloys can offer wire solutions. After all, we are known as 'Problem Solvers' to weldors.
Steve

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BFO

07-16-2000 08:40:44




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 Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-16-2000 06:35:37  
Steve, the smallest wire machine I have left is a Canox (Miller) Migmatic 200. I Never had luck with feeding the wire, even through the shortest lead. Finally had to buy a spool gun $$$$. I don't do enough aluminium to keep the gun anymore, so I got rid of it (read: got sick of fixing neighbours sprayer tanks!). But, I wouldn't mind keeping some wire on hand for my own use. I am currentlty use Al coated rod on my stick machine for small jobs. What do you suggest, and do you ship to Canada? Thanks, Bill

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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-16-2000 12:27:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to BFO, 07-16-2000 08:40:44  
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your interest in my company and it's products.

We ship anywhere. Orders can be as small as 2#.

Check out our #320 stick electrode and our #328 torch alloy. It's on our site under the aluminum heading on the home page. Link



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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-16-2000 12:39:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-16-2000 12:27:00  
Bill,
I just had a thought. How old is the liner in that wire welder? If you get some wear, it will tend to bind up more when feeding aluminum.

If you tried a teflon liner and knurled drive rolls, the only other option is a different wire. If you inquire about our #328MIG, be sure and tell them I recommended the 'stiff' wire to you. If you ever need help with one of our products, leave a number where I can reach you. If I can't get results for you, we'll take our product back.
Steve

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BFO

07-16-2000 17:55:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-16-2000 12:39:37  
Thanks for the replies Steve. I keep a 15' lead on the machine, but dedicated a 12' for aluminum, when I tried to make it work. The only options were the spool gun, and the push/pull, and of course stick. I like the sound of using a stiff wire, I'll be sure to give it a try. Thanks again!



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F14

07-16-2000 06:44:38




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 Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-16-2000 06:35:37  
Thanks, Steve. I was hoping you'd check in on this one. Can you elaborate on the "C2H2 trick"? I've never welded aluminum. Or much of anything else, for that matter. Joe Amateur here ":^)



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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-16-2000 07:08:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to F14, 07-16-2000 06:44:38  
Using an excess acetylene flame, blacken the area you wish to preheat with the carbon soot. Reset the torch to a neutral flame. Constantly moving the flame, heat the area of soot until all the soot burns off and the aluminum turns white again.

This will give an ideal preheat temp for welding aluminum. Steve



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Fred OH

07-17-2000 10:55:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-16-2000 07:08:37  
Steves method is true but...Be careful if you got thick and thin parts to the piece you're heating. The thin spots will heat up much faster than the thick and guess what? China syndrome! There are various methods such as heat till it will char a pine board or buy a temple stick (made specifically for this purpose) in the degree fahrenheit that you want to preheat to. Draw a mark on the metal and when it gets to the predetermined temperature, the line melts. Nothing simpler. If you have thick and thin metal, dam up behind it with clay so you won't have the China burn through.----L8R----Fred

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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-17-2000 12:19:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Fred OH , 07-17-2000 10:55:28  
Hi Fred,
That's a good point you make in regard to thick/thin sections. I would like to add a couple of other ideas to that thought process.

To prevent burn thru on thin aluminum it can be beneficial to implement a heat sink. A piece of copper works best as it dissipates heat quite rapidly and in the event of a burn thru, the aluminum filler metal has no affinity to the copper.(Regarding the SMAW, GTAW and GMAW processes. Not necessarily true in some oxy-fuel applications involving certain filler metals.) A sheet of steel also works well.

In addition to utilizing a heat sink, there are substances available to also achieve that end and even prevent warpage on steel. That would be a refractory paste such as form-a-jig or the heat fence material available in caulking gun tubes. Very handy for hard to fit areas and for localizing heat. We recommend it for some cast iron applications as well.

Another inherent problem with aluminum welding is arc wander. This is prevelant when welding in enclosures where the magnetic field caused by the arc becomes so strong or when trying to join two sheets of aluminum as is often done in the floor of dump trailers and UPS trucks, for example. I have found it beneficial to use ordinary jumper cables to connect the sheets so both will ground sufficiently.
Steve

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F14

07-16-2000 09:55:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-16-2000 07:08:37  
Great! Seems like I just read something about that somewhere. Soon as I get some wire and some argon, I'll give it a whirl.

Thanks for all your help.



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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-16-2000 12:21:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to F14, 07-16-2000 09:55:08  
I know where you can get some real good wire.



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MarkB

07-16-2000 06:08:13




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 Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to F14, 07-15-2000 09:04:30  
The Lincoln manuals are pretty good. If you can dig up the manual on this welder, it will tell you exactly what you need to do to weld aluminum.

One thing, you will need to replace the wire feed liner inside of the cord that goes to the gun, as the steel wire will have contaminated the liner.



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F14

07-16-2000 06:21:39




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 Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to MarkB, 07-16-2000 06:08:13  
I checked my book on it, didn't say doodly about aluminum.

Thanks for the tip on the liner. Am I correct in thinking it would be a good idea to get a complete spare gun setup and swap guns when I swap between aluminum and steel? I'll have to check and see how spendy that idea is.



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MarkB

07-16-2000 17:38:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding Aluminum in reply to F14, 07-16-2000 06:21:39  
The manual for my SP-170 explains how to weld aluminum, I'm surprised that the manual for the SP-130T doesn't.

A good resource is "Performance Welding" by Richard Finch. I highly recommend picking up a copy.

If you plan on welding a lot of aluminum, I'd say go ahead a get another gun, I don't think that they're particularly expensive.



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