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bryan

10-29-2003 07:13:10




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I'm going to start rebuilding my Quincy 325 next week and am wondering if I can get a manual of some sort that has procedures for rebuilding a compressor. I've rebuilt a few small gas motors and am sure this is somewhat similar, but still want to do this right. I've already got a parts drawing and owners manual for the 325, but would like to get a better reference material. Do you have any ideas where I can get such an item? Maybe just a general compressor rebuild manual? Thanks for all your help.

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Roger

10-31-2003 14:48:33




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 Re: another compressor question for Roger in reply to bryan, 10-29-2003 07:13:10  
The 325 rebuild is very straightforward. I don't forsee any problems for you, if you have previous engine building experience. Just pay attention to how the oil pump goes together, so you put it back in correctly (not a big problem). Likely, the HP wristpin bushing will be worn out. Plan on putting in a new one. Oil seal grooving on the input shaft is also a common repair. A SpeediSleeve does the trick nicely. You can leave the lip on, it won't interfere with the seal. Get the head hot tanked if you can. There is a long internal passage linking the LP cylinder to the interstage, and it almost impossible to clean it out any other way. Hand lap the valve seats on sandpaper laid upon a thick piece of glass. When you reassemble them, fill them with Varsol. If the varsol does not run out, there is a good seal. Be sure to change the oring on the oil pump input shaft, as this provides a seal at the end of the crank to keep oil pressure in the crank and the rods. When you button it all up, you might want to lightly tap all around the periphery of the aluminum crankcase cover, as it is prone to warp and leak oil from overtightening the bolts. Don't interchange rod caps, they will not go back together with mismatched caps. If you plan to change the Timken bearings, keep the original bearing preloading shims from the front oil cover, just in case. That's about it for now. Feel free to ask anything if you hit a snag, but I am confident you'll have no trouble.

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bryan again

10-30-2003 14:16:29




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 Re: another compressor question for Roger in reply to bryan, 10-29-2003 07:13:10  
also Roger, what do you think of a quincy 214 with a 40-50 gallon tank? I know it is single stage, but are these nice compressors for the home shop? Maybe paint some tractors with? What is the CFM? I can't really find much on it online. I'm just thinking I might have more than I want to spend in this 325 and I can pick this 214 up for $125. Thanks for the input!



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Roger

10-31-2003 14:54:26




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 Re: Re: another compressor question for Roger in reply to bryan again, 10-30-2003 14:16:29  
If the 214 is in good shape, grab it! That's a pretty good price. It is as tough as a 325. I think it would be in the 1.5 to 3hp range, which would top out at about 12 cfm or so. I know the 216 was rated from 1.5 to 5hp, so 3hp seems to be in the ballpark. It is light years ahead of anything you will buy new, in terms of quality.



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John Garner

10-29-2003 20:59:15




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 Re: another compressor question for Roger in reply to bryan, 10-29-2003 07:13:10  
Roger --

I'll jump on the bandwagon and ask you a couple of Qs myself:

Obviously you like the Quincy compressors; I'm curious what you consider to be other high-quality compressors . . . Saylor-Beall, Champion, Curtis, Gardner-Denver, and so on?

Thanks in advance.

John



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Roger

10-31-2003 15:19:55




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 Re: Re: another compressor question for Roger in reply to John Garner, 10-29-2003 20:59:15  
Every one of those compressors are what I would consider "top level". I have only seen one Saylor Beall reciprocating compressor, I believe it was the 9000 or something. Very nice, very heavy duty, and very expensive. My boss ordered a catalog from them once, as he was interested in becoming a dealer, but the price points made no sense. The running clearances were extremely tight, which to me indicated they were very accurately built. One neat characteristic of Saylor Beall pumps, however, was that, in 1997 at least, every one of their pumps were available in either splash-lube or pressure lube. I have never seen this with any other manufacturer. Beware! Sanborn sells a Taiwanese or Chinese knockoff of the Saylor Beall. It looks exactly like them, but they are of low quality. They have soft cranks, poor valves and take out wristpins like nobody's business. On they surface, however, they look tough as nails. The giveaway is that the use metric fasteners.
Champions are also very nice machines, and probably the only aluminum pump I would wholeheartedly recommend. They use aluminum for the right reasons, low weight and excellent heat disipation, not for the wrong reason, it's easy to cast into cheap throwaway designs. I have been able to hold my hand on the cylinder block of a Champion that was running flat out. The only thing I don't like about them is that they don't use bearing inserts, but this is common in many different compressor designs from many companies. It has not been a problem in my experience, but it is just a personal preference of mine.It does allow you to take rods that have seized and resize the big ends, however, which can prove to be extremely cost effective if the pump has been run low on oil.Gardner Denver seemed to like them enough to buy the company. I think Champion build all the small GD pumps now. Speaking of which, Gardner Denver cast-iron pumps, in my opinion, are the equal of Quincy. If you read between the lines on the Quincy site, it seems Quincy was founded by 3 ex GD employees in 1920. It doesn't say that, but as GD's headquarters is also in Quincy,ill., I don't think it is too much of a stretch to assume this. GD cast-iron pumps look ancient, which probably means they are ancient, in terms of design anyway. That shouldn't be a turn off for antique tractor types though!
Curtis are also extremely rugged designs. They have been around since the mid 1800's, so they must know a thing or two. Some models have fiddly flyweight arrangements in the flywheel to provide centrifugal unloading. These were bad designs, even though the underlying pumps were quite good. The only beef I have with Curtis is that they vibrate a bit too much, and are a bit noisy. They are also extremely heavy, which is not much of an issue till you try to install a block on a 2 cylinder, 15hp pump. It's a workout. Otherwise, they last and last. Curtis also has a line of "value" compressors called "ChallangeAir" I think. These are cheap Chinese Fu Sheng pumps. They are, um, not too bad. We used to sell them at the last place I worked. They were a quick and easy way to get customers up and running when their original pumps died. Nowhere equal to the original Curtis designs, but very cheap to overhaul and repair.

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John Garner

10-31-2003 18:21:27




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 Re: Re: Re: another compressor question for Roger in reply to Roger, 10-31-2003 15:19:55  
Roger --

I really appreciate the time you spend answering questions on this board. Thanks a million for sharing your experience and insight!

John



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