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I'm looking to buy a bench vise.

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Coach James

10-25-2003 11:47:10




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I've looked at Wilton, Columbian, Craftsman and the Central Forge from Harbor Freight. Any significant differences between the brands? I only want to buy this once so I'd rather pay more and get a good one. Many thanks.




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Glen in TX

10-27-2003 19:48:12




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Depends on how heavy of work you are doing and how long you want the vise to be around or how long you plan to be around. Can still get all the parts: jaws, screw, & nut for a old Wilton vise my Grandpa bought new. I know you can get most parts still for the Wilton, Columbia, & Starrett brands. As for the others you will get what you pay for. I have some of the cheaper vises too but they won't hold a 4" rusted pipe fitting and take using a 48" pipe wrench and cheater pipe like my Wilton will.

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Fred OH

10-27-2003 09:01:10




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Coach...I'll tell you a gage that I use for telling if a vice is heavy duty or not...just look at the handle on the front of it. If it is short and small in diameter...it is of the lighter duty variety. So...if you can find a new or used vice that has a larger than the rest of 'em handle...your chances of getting a decent one is better. Things to look for in a used vice are cracks in housing, end play in shaft (some floating nuts will get end play, a little is okay but more than 1/4" is suspicion), welded or brazed housing and a bent handle. If you find one that says all steel housing...such as Columbian or other...you should probably buy it. The reason that I put emphasis on old used vices is that they have proven themselves over the years. I bought a vice ONCE, it is a Columbian all steel vice...thirty some years ago, still good as new. Even the old blacksmith vices with the bottom thats down near the floor are superb...the word "abused" hadn't been invented yet. Some of these type vices can be found at farm sales and machine shops and large repair facilities at auction. I have seen vices on old shapers that they couldn't give away that would work for several lifetimes...(if it wouldn't break down your bench) go to the scrapyard. I have an old name brand vice out in the shop that has been used way beyond the call of duty and still functions for what it was designed to do-that I would love to give away to someone who would put it to use. I live in southern Ohio, (Greenfield area) Fred OH

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PauloutWest

10-26-2003 06:25:04




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Wilton Tradesman Vise - Double lock-down, replaceable jaw and 360� swivel base. Enclosed spindle construction. Large anvil. 60,000 PSI body parts. U.S.A. Jaw Depth: 4in. Jaw Width: 6 1/2in. Jaw Opens to: 6 1/2in. Around $400

Everyone has there own needs. If you want a good heavy vice look at this one. I have two and have beat and pried the living 'el out of them, doing terrible things with large sledge hammers and eight foot long 3" pips etc. and have'nt broke yet. They make better and they make lesser.

i have broken the big chinese ones twice and was extemely disapointed because I couldn't rely on it and i don't enjoy stopping in mid job to retrn a broken tool, hours wasted on junk. When I put somethibg heavy in a big vise I don't want it flying away unexpectedly, could get real hurt that way besides not getting job done.

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loren

10-25-2003 19:39:43




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Coach, Wilton(and others more than likely) make more than one grade of vise. Find a some literature on Wilton and see that the material they're made of differs greatly. I would doubt that HF offers any vise in a better grade than the cheapest, maybe but probably not. You sound like the kind of fella that this info would make a difference to. Loren



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wdTom

10-25-2003 17:39:08




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Generally you can pay $50 for a cheap vise and it will do most things, or you can pay several hundred and it will last a life time and you won't ever break it like you may the $50 one. There is an in between one that i almost bought and that is Ridgid. They make a nice looking steel vise that I think has their lifetime guarantee and in the 5" size I think it opens about 8", a lot for a 5" vise. I admit that I went the cheap route about 25 years ago, broke it about 10 years ago and bought another cheap one. Broke it last summer. Well, couldn't believe it, Ihad saved the good parts of the first vise and it was almost a fit in the good part of the second vise. With a little milling in my milling machine I was able to make a vise out of the two broken ones. I lucked out. If I hadn't been able to do this I may well have gone for the Ridgid.

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wdTom

10-29-2003 18:34:27




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 Re: Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to wdTom, 10-25-2003 17:39:08  
And guess what? I took the broken slide from the second vise and was abut to throw it out when I noticed it was machined on the top surface. Well now, a surface plate? It measures 12" by 3", took it to work and the machine shop surface ground it. Now I have a surface plate. A bit odd sized, but better than using the surface of my table saw which I had been doing when I needed a falt surface.



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John Garner

10-25-2003 16:32:40




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Coach James --

Saying "buy a Wilton vise" is about like saying "buy a General Motors product". Wilton sells probably a dozen or more different types and grades of vise fitting the description "bench vise"; within the last year or so I've seen a low-end six-inch Wilton at Wal-Mart for maybe $25, while a top-of-the-Wilton-line six-inch machinist's vise is over $1,000 in my Shop Tools catalog.

I've heard that good used vises can be had cheaply, but I think that always takes being at the right place at the right time. If you're willing to spend time looking for a good used vise, names to watch for include Columbian (which is now owned by Wilton), Starrett, Reed, Ridgid, Charles Parker, Milwaukee, and probably a couple others that I'm forgetting.

Record makes some pretty good vises in England, and I am sure that there are other English and European makes that are excellent products. The Japanese-built Eron vise is another good one.

A superior-quality vise will be both very heavy and either cast from heat-treated ductile iron rated at 60,000 PSI or forged from steel. As the restaurant reviews put it: $$$$.

A decent-quality vise will be cast from heat-treated ductile iron rated 30,000 PSI and will weigh more than a cheap cast-iron vise. $$.

A cheap vise will be cast gray iron and lightweight. $ and fairly delicate.

Usually.

I have three bench vises, a 20+ year old 4-inch Japanese-made Craftsman, a 5 year old 4-inch Record, and a 10-year old 5-inch Chinese vise (one of the cylindrical-body, double-swivel models with pipe jaws on one side and the bench-vise jaws on the other side) that I paid less than $50 brand new. It's not as "nice" as the C'man or Record, but it's bigger and heavier and has worked out very well for me. I use the Chinese vise mostly as a press, and never hammer on any of my vises.

As new vises go, the dual-swivel Chinese vises are hard to beat on a bang-for-the-buck basis.

John

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Bart

10-25-2003 16:28:17




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Northern Hydraulics has a flyer out with Wilton Vises on sale right now Good luck



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Bob

10-25-2003 16:48:40




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 Re: Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Bart, 10-25-2003 16:28:17  
I paid $50. for one at Northern Hydraulic
hit it one time with a hammer/broke it



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thurlow

10-25-2003 15:39:23




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
If you're looking for a "bench" vise, go with the advice given in the posts below. If you want a "serious" vise, get a machinist vice; looks just like a bench vise, but will cost several hundred dollars and will last a life-time.....



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Dirtrocker

10-25-2003 14:30:58




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
Here is a place that has some vices.
I use Wilton vices exclusively.



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G-MAN - check ebay....

10-25-2003 12:31:55




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
I happened to check ebay, and there are a slew of Wilton vises on there - a bunch of them brand-new and for decent money. There is an 8-incher on there for a buy-it-now of around $120. That's as cheap as you're likely to find a Wilton.



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G-MAN

10-25-2003 12:28:28




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
I agree with RJ- Wilton makes very good vises, but they are not cheap. They're probably worth it for full-time in a revenue-generating shop, but may be overkill for a do-it-yourselfer doing weekend fix-it projects.



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RJ-AZ

10-25-2003 12:15:32




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 Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to Coach James, 10-25-2003 11:47:10  
You can't beat a big 6" or 8" Wilton for ruggedness but they cost a lot. Thats what i have mounted on the rear of my field service truck and I use it hard every day. Columbian and craftsman are good for general shop work and more reasonably priced. I'm planning to try a harbor freieght 6" for an outside bench setup I am building at home.



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Slowpoke

10-28-2003 01:08:18




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 Re: Re: I'm looking to buy a bench vise. in reply to RJ-AZ, 10-25-2003 12:15:32  
Some Wiltons are now made in China. I would spend time at flea markets and look for an old one of the brand names mentioned. Inspect it to make sure it has not been pounded on, welded, brazed or a bent handle. Most likely it will just be worn. Check the operation. Hint: make an old time 'sandwich' sign with your want(s) on it. Works almost every time.



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