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tn terry t

10-18-2003 19:02:15




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i just traded for an 8000 lb. winch always wanted one but the bucks are hard to come by. anyways i got it mounted on the front of my ole 80 f150 4x4 . now im thinking i can really drag stuff around. my question is how much "dead" weight should the little bugger be able to move ? i thought that at least it should be able to scoot the wheels on my truck in low lock it just stalls out is this too much to ask ? thanks terry in middle tenn

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RP

10-19-2003 10:06:23




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 Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-18-2003 19:02:15  
I wonder what size wire you used to hook it up? Seems like you'd need 2 gauge or something huge to supply enough energy to drag a truck.



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Wayne

10-18-2003 20:52:44




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 Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-18-2003 19:02:15  
I've got an old worm drive Ramsey mounted with a healthy homemade bumper to the front of my 78 Jeep J-10. I've used it to pull alot of stuff but two of the toughest pulls were our 440IC Deere and an 856 Farmall with a round bailer and a full bail. The Deere was stuck level with the tracks so I got close, chained the rear bumper to a tree, doubled the winch line and started pulling as Dad got the tracks turning. The tires on the Jeep left the ground before the dozer came out, but in a few minutes it was setting on dry ground again. The 856 belonged to an old friend of ours, and he had it stuck with the front and rear axels on the ground and the bailer setting on it's belly. I first tried chaining off to another of his tractors as a pull point so I could get close, but kept sliding the Jeep and the other IH (which was setting sideways) closer to the one that was stuck. Wound up chaining off to a tree again and got the whole setup moved just far enough to unhitch the bailer so I could pull the two out seperately. After I got the tractor unstuck I pulled to the top of the hill chained off to another tree and made a 200 foot plus single line pull on the bailer to get it back to solid ground. It took me close to 5 hours to get it all done but it saved the man a massive tow bill. It all paid off for me though because his wife made me a terribly good pound cake in payment, so it was worth it.... can't wait for him to get stuck again... I don't know if your F-150 can take the strain the old Jeep can, but from what your saying there is definately something wrong with the winch or you don't have enough battery to handle it one. Have fun with it, but remember, from now on when friends are stuck, they'll come see you.....

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jam

11-05-2003 09:26:11




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 Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to Wayne, 10-18-2003 20:52:44  
i have been thinking about adding an electric to my jd3020 for pulling logs.
does anyone have any experience doing this?
i have a #1500 on my atv and it comes in real handy a few times a year. i use it all winter to lift my snowplow.
thanks



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R. Marg

10-18-2003 19:30:30




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 Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-18-2003 19:02:15  
doesn't sound right I had a 3500 lb winch that would pull my 1/2 ton chev and drag the wheels with them locked sounds like a weak motor in the winch



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tn terry t

10-19-2003 17:49:20




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 Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to R. Marg, 10-18-2003 19:30:30  
last owner had #4 feeding control box and mabe a #6 from box to winch you think i need to upsize? thanks bunches!!!!!



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Robert in W. Mi

10-20-2003 16:38:40




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 Re: Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-19-2003 17:49:20  
I've had several winches over the years, and i still have a 12,000 Warn, and a 25,000 pound worm drive winch.

You need very heavy cable to the winch as they have a huge amp draw from the batt.!! I made mine out of welding cable.

Like others said, a winch is rated with only a few "wraps" on the drum, so as the "layers" go on, the winch has less and less power. You need a good batt., not one that has weak cells to begin with. "If" you don't have at least a 60 amp plus alternator, you may have to let the batt. catch up on longer pulls.

When i winch a heavy load, i throw a heavy blanket over the cable out near the end. If the cable lets go, the blanket really helps to slow the cable down from sling shotting back!!!

Robert

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JD-tractor

10-20-2003 19:36:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 10-20-2003 16:38:40  
You got my curosity aroused on your post about the winch !!1Why do you loose power as you add more wraps to the drum ?



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JD720

10-21-2003 05:47:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to JD-tractor, 10-20-2003 19:36:21  
Think of the drum in terms of the distance around it, when the circumference is small the load is easy to pull but each layer of cable increases the circumference and as the circumference increases it is harder to pull. The reason is that with the first layer of cable you are using the smallest circumference available. The actual cable speed is also slowest on the first wrap. With each successive layer the circumference gets larger and the cable speed increases (if the winch could keep the drum rpm constant) and with these increases the power to the cable drops. You can't get anything free; if something (circumference) increases another value (torque or power) decreases.
Another way to look at it is like using a ramp to lift a load into a truck. When the ramp angle is shallow you have to travel farther to get the load up. If your speed is constant this will take the longest (like the first layer of cable). If you use a steeper ramp the distance is shorter so at the same speed as the first ramp it will take less time to raise the load than the shallow ramp did but as you know from experience it is also harder to do.
Hope this helps

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Stick

10-19-2003 21:14:19




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 Re: Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-19-2003 17:49:20  
I have a Warn 8000 pounder. I run a second battery for the winch. A dedicated 66Amp alternator charges it. 1 gauge cable as positive and also as ground right from that battery to the winch motor itself. May be overkill, but it'll drag my old Suburban all over hell's half acre if I don't chain to something bigger or really solid on a really heavy pull.

Check your cables, especially the ground and like was said earlier, don't just ground to the engine. On most vehicles, the little ground strap to the body is only designed for lighting and instrumentation and is just a tiny little thing, nowhere near big enough for the draw of a winch.

Good point about having more pulling power on the first wrap or two of cable. One more point is to use a snatch block on heavy pulls, it doubles the pulling capacity for the same load on the motor, or likewise, lessens the load for the same pull.

And of course, a couple of obligatory safety items. Don't ever winch using a trailer ball as a hookup point (they like to turn into projectiles), handle the winch cable with gloves, and if you've ever seen a winch cable break or a shackle let go, you'll likely do your winching with the hood up for long time after.

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CT

10-19-2003 20:23:08




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 Re: Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-19-2003 17:49:20  
You could indeed have a problem with the winch. Check your cables, and battery. Is your winch grounded real good to the bumper. And your battery grounded to the frame of your truck. If the ground cable from the battery just goes to the motor, you may not be getting all the current needed.

The line pull will increase with the more line you have out. When you just let out a little, (like 20 feet) the ratio of pull is not as great if you let it out to where the circumference of the reel on the winch is smaller. When you let a lot of line out on your winch, you will have more power.

Just my .2 cents Hope it helps.


Don’t give up, I bet it is something simple. Look up the manufacture of the winch Ramsey ompany on the internet, and call and visit with one of their technical support folks . I bet they can give you some pointers.

Please be careful with winches. You have all kinds of forces being used and a broken wire or hook can be a very lethal.

I have heard of folks pulling a truck out by attaching the winch hook to a trailer hitch ball and it breaking off and flying back and doing some real harm.

Congrates on getting a winch.

Cliff

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George

10-19-2003 20:05:55




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 Re: Re: Re: ramsey winch in reply to tn terry t, 10-19-2003 17:49:20  
Take a voltmeter with long leads and measure the cable voltage drop from the battery post itself (not the battery post cable clamp) to the winch motor. My guess is that you would want to limit the drop to 1-2 volts under load. You could have a high resistance connection some place or your cables might be too small.



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