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Kennyp

10-06-2003 14:55:02




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Just got a Weldtec 17 torch with 3/16 tungsten. Need to try it out on my 130 amp DC. Will my 75 percent argon 25 percent CO2 gas from my wire welder work..at least until I empty the bottle and get..what? About what should I set the regulator? 5 or 10 pounds? I've run lots of welders but never been close to a TIG befor. You guys might save me some time getting started. Oh yea, I do have a TIG busser/high voltage box to put in between. Is it necesary? Tungsten goes to minus right?

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uglyoldfatman

10-14-2003 18:36:13




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 Re: New TIG toy in reply to Kennyp, 10-06-2003 14:55:02  
Kenney;

The high freq. box will be needed for any aluminum you need to weld.

You can not start an arc on alum. without it.

UG!



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Woops..

10-08-2003 13:13:06




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 Re: New TIG toy in reply to Kennyp, 10-06-2003 14:55:02  
That should have said 3/32 tungsten, not 3/16. No wonder you guys tell me to go smaller. I sure appreciate any and all comments. Just enough gas to protect it, and just enough rod exposure to see it.... BTW; just got (shipping was more than price) an old Airco 130DC welder. Man! it that the nicest little welder I have every used.



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T_Bone

10-08-2003 11:31:47




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 Re: New TIG toy in reply to Kennyp, 10-06-2003 14:55:02  
Hi Kennyp,

As the other posters pointed out 3/16" is way too large. I only like 3/32" for 99% of my Tig work with 1/8" for AL welding only.

1/16" is very easy to bend as when you "stick" it or it'll break. You'll do that a few times when you first get started learning Tig.

How you sharpen your tungsten determines what kind of arc is produced at the tip. Using 3/32", I tapper the last 3/8" to a very sharp point as this gives the best arc stability. Let it protrude 1/4" to 5/16" past the cup lip. This gives you a very adaquote visual on your arc. 3/32" works well down to 30ga metal and unlimited thickness.

I break the tungsten in half then sharpen both ends. Score a line with the becnh grinder before breaking. I use a piece of 1/2"CU pipe 7" long with two CU ends caps, Tig tack weld one cap leaving the other loose, for a great tugnsten holder. I use one for each type and size of tungsten to keep them seperate.

Argon makes the best all around cover gas and is the cheapest. Mixed gases cost about twice more and have an advantage when welding some metals but for home shops it's not needed. You'll want about 10cfh or approx 3psi. Use your cheek to test gas flow, hold the torch close (NOT touching LOL) and you should feel a gentle gas flow on your cheek. That is if your inside a shop, outside takes what ever gas it takes to over come the breeze. Purge gas should be 1/3 flow of the cover gas.

A #7 cup is the best all around cup size. Only when I'm welding pipe do I use a different Tig set up. I'll cover that another time.

A HF box is not needed nor required for 90% of Tig work but if you have one use it as it makes starting a weld puddle easy with less tungsten contamination. There's alot of other uses for a HF (high frequency) control that I won't cover here.

Be sure and preclean your weld zone with a SS wire wheel 1/2" on either side of the weld, to white metal. The wire wheel will grab when you hit the white metal base.

Besure to use all glass lens for your welding hood both colored glass and clear glass. While Tig welding you will see the double weld puddle I've talked about in the past from using plastic lens caused from distortion.

T_Bone

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Thanks

10-07-2003 10:08:44




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 Re: New TIG toy in reply to Kennyp, 10-06-2003 14:55:02  
Thanks, like I said, I've never even seen a TIG run befor. The stabilizer is a Wards power craft I bought at an auction 20 years ago for a few bucks. I see one bringing good money on E-bay. My 75/25 gas is leaving a dark color..probably from the co2. If I stay with it I will exchange it for argon. A couple of times I burned the tungsten back..I assume that was fron not enough gas or I forgot to open the valve. Have only a pressure gauge an no flow meter. 5 to 10 lbs seem to be OK, but don't want to waste gas. Will look for a smaller rod and holder. I got a great deal off of E-bay on the torch with a complete setup of the 3/32 for 20 bucks. New. How far out should I push the tungsten? 1/2 - 5/8 inch or so? Seems like old times again using bailing wire. I grew up with OX/act welding rifle bolt handles with coat hanger wire. I know, I should go to school but at 74, semms a little far out.

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Ed

10-08-2003 09:59:32




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 Re: Re: New TIG toy in reply to Thanks, 10-07-2003 10:08:44  
20 bucks! Good deal. The rule of thumb for how far the tungsten should stick out is, it should be about the same as the tungsten diameter. If you use 1/16 electrode then it should protrude about 1/16" past the nozzle. This is because you need to keep real close to the work to prevent the air from contaminating the weld.



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Off E-bay

10-08-2003 13:24:16




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 Re: Re: Re: New TIG toy in reply to Ed, 10-08-2003 09:59:32  
Off of E-bay from WELDTEC. It apears that all of their "slightly use" stuff is brand new. I bought that one because it had enough consumables with it to let me try it.



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Ed

10-07-2003 09:23:31




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 Re: New TIG toy in reply to Kennyp, 10-06-2003 14:55:02  
You must use pure Argon or Helium or a mix of the two. 3/16 tungsten is very large. I use 1/16 for most light gage work. If your welder is 130 amp 1/16 is all you will need. A large electrode won't get hot enough and may be difficult to use. You may want to experiment with the gas flow to find what's best for your setup. Your TIG high voltage box will save you a lot of grief. You can weld without it but it's tricky. Where did you get the box? What make? Electrode negative is correct.

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Farmer/Paul

10-07-2003 03:26:43




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 Re: New TIG toy in reply to Kennyp, 10-06-2003 14:55:02  
I think you will need to run straight Argon for TIG ( which is what I use),my flowmeter is set at 10L/hr.



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