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Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel

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DumOleBob

10-01-2003 18:32:18




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I need to attach three sheets cut from 12 ga mild & stainless steel on top of each other � sandwich style � without using
heat , (e.g., as in welding) as all three will be finished.

It would be fine, even helpful, to maintain a gap between the sheets to help create a 3rd dimension. Ultimately, the piece will be wall mounted using screws through all three pieces. Till then I need to hold them together.

What could I use: JB Weld, epoxy, exotic glue, horse manure what, what what???

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wolfe in tx

10-02-2003 23:24:06




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
liquid nail from the local hardware store will hold it i use it to stick stainless steel to walls all the time it will hold it



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MarkB

10-02-2003 16:07:07




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
Another thought is to use a urethane adhesive. 3M 5200 is an excellent adhesive/sealant intended for marine applications. It doesn't stick quite as well as epoxy, but it has excellent flexibility and gap filling properties. It's similar to silicone, except that it actually sticks. Also, you can get it in white or brown, if you care about the color. You can buy it at any marine hardware store for about 8 bucks a 10 oz tube.

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Randy

10-02-2003 10:36:35




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
Get some of the money from aicha in the post below and hire the job out.



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T_Bone

10-02-2003 09:38:59




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
Hi bob,

The gap your wanting would be a problem with using caulking. Butyl is much stronger than silicon but with a spacing between plates would be very weak.

Epoxy would be the next choice as the final adhesive. I would use a 5 minute super glue to pretack all parts together giving the epoxy time to set without movement.

The SS would have to be extremely clean of oils, alcohol cleaner, with deep cross hatching where the epoxy is appiled as this would give the epoxy someting to grab too.

Hilti makes a epoxy for there concrete anchor inserts, so that may work well.

There is also a pressure bonded epoxy that sets as pressure is applied. I never used this stuff so can't tell you anything about it.

I would consider using two types of epoxy as over time the hard set epoxy will seperate where the soft set epoxy would be flexable. UV might be a problem if in the sun.

You might also want to consider using SS pins for the offset strength with the pins being epoxy fasten. A slight blind hole in the plates for the pins. This would hold well for vertical shear strength. A end mill bit would work for the blind holes.

T_Bone

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Dumolehayseed

10-02-2003 05:36:26




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
I gots to know why you are doin this and what there goin to be doin there on the wall.



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MikeM

10-02-2003 05:25:42




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
Check with a local Auto Body Shop supplier as most new car panels are held together with epoxy. Maybe someone at a body shop would let you use some they have. Most is made to use a special caulking type gun and they have a mixing nozzle
very fast and easy to apply where you want it.



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aicha

10-02-2003 08:34:43




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 Re: Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to MikeM, 10-02-2003 05:25:42  
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Badger

10-02-2003 03:42:04




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
I'd go with clear silicon caulking, paint won't stick to most silicon caulking so be careful around the edges if paint is going to be used.



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DumOleBob

10-02-2003 07:14:11




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 Re: Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to Badger, 10-02-2003 03:42:04  
That makes me wonder if the silicone will then NOT stick to a painted surface - I guess not???



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Mac

10-02-2003 10:50:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-02-2003 07:14:11  
silicone ought to stick to well cured painted surface. Only thing I had problems with was if surface was oily or certain types of plastic Like used on automotive interiors.



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Nolan

10-02-2003 03:25:09




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
Also urethane glues are pretty adhesive like in their properties. Not flexible like contact adhesive though.



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MarkB

10-02-2003 02:59:38




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
I'd probably use WEST System Epoxy. This is a thin epoxy intended for boatbuilding use, but you can thicken it for other applications. You have choice of fillers to use, depending on the application.

You can get WEST System products directly from the manufacturer, Gougeon Brothers (see link), or from most marine hardware stores. I generally buy from Jamestown Distributors, www.jamestowndistributors.com.

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TimC

10-01-2003 19:32:32




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 Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to DumOleBob, 10-01-2003 18:32:18  
Contact cement applied to both sides and allowed to dry then put together and you would probably have to destroy it to get them apart. Like applying formica for a counter top.

Maybe...GE silicon II. You would have to have a press to evenly press teh peices together then wipe off what squeezes out. Allow to dry and they won't come apart without a fight.



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Dumb Bob Caesar

10-02-2003 00:07:56




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 Re: Re: Need a Cold Glue/weld for steel in reply to TimC, 10-01-2003 19:32:32  
Is that your name Dum Ole Bob?



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