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Richard Fazio

09-30-2003 19:45:08




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I'm looking to buy an angle grinder. I'm a milwaukee guy myself, as far as power tools go. Anyone have a milwaukee angle grinder? Or are other brands better? I was originally thinking 4.5" but now I'm liking the 8" ones. Can you use 4.5" tools in the 8" grinder?




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DaveCA

10-03-2003 18:02:26




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I had a metabo once, never again. i liked the grinder, while it worked, it was the electronic speed control featured model. The switch quit in less than 6 months. I have always repaired every piece of machiunery I've owned and more, from transmissions to furnaces to diesels to computers. Don't take a metabo apart yourself, you may never get it back together again.



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hjp

10-03-2003 16:33:28




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I HAVE TWO MAKITA'S 1 IS MINI 5 INCH/ 1 IS A STANDARD 5 INCH BOTH WILL GRIND BUT I USE THE MINI WITH A "RAZOR" DISK FOR CUTTING. WHEN THAT FAILS I BREAK OUT THE B&D INDUSTRIAL 7/9 INCH AND ITS JULY 4TH AGAIN !!!! HOW EVER I USE THE MINI FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING,CUTTING EXHAUST BOLTS,SHOCKS AND THIN PLATE UP TO 1/8 INCH/BETTER THAN A DIE GRINDER.



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DumOleBob

10-02-2003 19:07:53




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
The best angle grinder, without any question,is METABO. I've got Milwaukees, which are fine, and DeWalts which are just as good, but the German Metabo is so much better!

A 4.5" is NOT a 7" or 8". The big boys are for heavy stuff. They themselves are VERY heavy & hard to hold for very long.

M E T A B O! The best...



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Robert in W. Mi

10-02-2003 10:36:07




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I have two of the small Milwaukee grinders. Good grinders but the paddle switches came out of place on both of mine. I put them back, and they've stayed there so far. Personally, i'd not want to have just a small grinder, so i have a big one too. When i want to lay a grove in heavy metal, the small one just won't do!

I think the B&D "Wildcat" made by Elu is the toughest grinder you can buy!! I've seen them in welding shops beat to no end, but still working like new!! They are very powerfull and long lasting, and are heavy!! I think they pull 15 amps!! Mines quite old, but never miss' a beat!!

Robert

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Jim/41_9N

10-02-2003 08:05:36




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I have a Makita 4.5. Great little grinder. I find no need for a larger one around my place. This 4.5 is dangerous enough. Wear eye protection, chest & arm, and gloves. I forgot the gloves one time with a wire wheel on the grinder, and in a split second lost most of the skin on the top of a finger. Could have been a lot worse. I dropped the grinder with the switch locked on, and watched it skate around while bleeding and trying to pull the plug. BE CAREFULL.

Jim

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Cliff Neubauer

10-01-2003 17:51:00




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
We had a Makita 4" angle grinder for many years before it finally died this spring, dad replaced it with a Craftsman 4" but the Makita was much more comfortable to run. We also have a 7" Craftsman which I really like and use it much more than the smaller one although if you aren't used to it it is really hard on your arms. I've tried just about every brand of wheels available locally and now I won't buy anything but a Dewalt, they cost a little more up front but last 2-4 times as long which makes them cheaper in the long run.

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Mark Kw

10-01-2003 06:02:25




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I'm sure this will stir the pot a little since I see most of the replies are in favor of Milwaukee.

I purchased three drills at the same time maybe 4 years ago now. two 14.4v cordless and a corded angle drill. Up until this time I had good service from Mil. and had no fear of buying thier products again. First problem was the keyless chucks on the cordless drills. Neither one, hammer or T-handle would hold a bit unless you cranked them tight with channellocks and loosened them with channellocks...so much for not carrying a chuck key. I did not even have time to return these drills when switch stopped working properly on the angle drill the second time I went to use it. Alleged to be a VSR, that only lasted two days till it only went forward around 1/2 speed until it decided to jump to full speed or just stop.

Back to having only my tired 12 year old holeshooter, I took all three drills back to the dealer. They informed me I needed to get a warranty claim number from Mil to get the tools serviced. To keep this short, I spent the better part of two months trying to get a service number or replacement tools. Keep in mind here that these all failed within a week of purchase. I tried one more time to get someone at Milwaukee to help me out, I called and got an alleged vice president on the phone. I told him I was getting really disgusted with this as I have around 600 bucks tied up new tools that do not work. He asked what it would take to make me happy and I said, "replace the keyless chucks on the cordless drills with keyed ones and replace the switch on the angle drill." All I wanted was tools that worked since I had already paid for them. All I asked for was for Mil to send me the chucks and swicth and I'll even fix them myself. It ended with him changing his tune saying that the factory would have to determin if the failures were caused by abuse or a mfg defect. I told him I had to use the cordless drills because I was on a job and had to get it done and the only way I could was to use pliers on the chucks. His only solution was for me to send all the tools back to the plant, not a service center. I agreed to this if they would cover the cost of the shipping if they accepted fault. Another 40 some bucks out of pocket in UPS charges for shipping.

Around 6 weeks go by and I heard nothing so I called. Three hours or so on the phone finally gets me to a lady who knows where my drills are. At least 20 minutes on hold from this point and she said the tools were fixed and they would not be returned until I paid the return shipping of $65 I told here it only cost me 40 something to send them out to which she replied about packing and such. At this point I did not care anymore, I just wanted tools I could work with, another 65 bucks on the credit card. Two weeks later I'm calling again to find out where the tools are and I'm told they'll ship in 3-5 days. Three more weeks go by and they finally arrive in the same box I sent them out in....never opened! All that was done was they placed a shipping lable over the one I had on it.

More phone calls, more letters, more emails and nothing!! I ended up shelling out another $60 some bucks to buy a swicth for the angle drill myself.

I'm not the only one that had problems with getting service on mil tools. I know of five other places who have also had nothing but problems with Mil tools and got absolutely no service.

For me, you'll never see another mil here. Metabo & Hilti with the possibility of a DeWalt but NEVER a milwaukee!

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Dr.EVIL

10-01-2003 14:41:34




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 Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Mark Kw, 10-01-2003 06:02:25  
MARK - I'd turn MILW. Elerc. into the Better Business Buearu (sp?) Want their Phone #? 800-273-1002. Give 'Em HECK!



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Ben in KY

10-01-2003 12:36:30




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 Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Mark Kw, 10-01-2003 06:02:25  
I just buy the el cheapo 4.5 inch grinders. Works fine and I just throw them away when they break. Seems to work out cheaper this way than when I bought the better/higher priced ones. Of course I don't do production work just stuff around the farm and house with them.



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Mark Kw

10-02-2003 04:52:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Ben in KY, 10-01-2003 12:36:30  
Had many from Harbor Freight, the 19.99 specials. Got one that has to be about 6 years old still working good everyday. Got a few more about two years ago and they changed their design allowing the rear of the housing to fall off without warning. Did not hold up for nothing so I won't buy anymore. Started buying Metabo from Fastenal. Price and quality combined with super fine handling, I won't go with anything else. Far cheaper to pay a little more up front and get all the perks as well as much longer life.

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Richard Fazio

10-01-2003 05:45:14




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
Thanks for all the info guys. I'll be checking them out this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes.



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Lee

10-01-2003 05:34:04




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I've got a 4.5" that I use all the time. It's so old that the name has rubbed off, but it's blue, if that helps any. I thought about getting a larger one, but this one does eerything I've asked of it, maybe a little slowly, but it's easy to carry and use.

Wheels and such are cheap, if that's a consideration.

Lee



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Tom

10-01-2003 05:02:38




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
For most grinding, blade sharpening, weld clean up, and chores around the farm, the 4 1/2 inch grinder is all you need. Also the wheels are very easy to find in wide assortments and at all the stores. I have had two brands and used others. The Dewalt is junk; had one, its tore up. Makita is really good no problems at all. Use it for everyting: sharpening bush hog blades, building steel fences, etc.

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Nolan

10-01-2003 04:10:19




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I've got several. By far I use my 4.5" the most. It's a one handed operation. My big 9" grinder I rarely use. Sure, it'll remove a lot more material quicker, but it also tires me out tremendously, especially if I'm holding it up to a vertical surface.



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T_Bone

10-01-2003 09:26:51




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 Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Nolan, 10-01-2003 04:10:19  
Hi Nolan,

Using a grinder with one hand is saying "when" do I get stitchs and how many, not "if" I get them.

I've seen many deep wounds caused by a grinders and it wasn't pretty as a grinder tears large long ragged holes in skin & meat.

A cut from a grinder not only cuts open but burns the wound at the same time and also deposits metal and fiberglass into the wound that needs scraped out.

A very painful injury, just ask me!

T_Bone

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Nolan

10-02-2003 03:21:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to T_Bone, 10-01-2003 09:26:51  
I think you've misread my post. I hold the little 4.5" grinder one handed quite frequently. That's not a problem with a grinder that size. A big grinder I hold with two hands because of their size, weight and power.

I'm well aware of the sort of damage a grinder can do. My arm was badly gnawed when an officer ignored a secured access sign and knocked me off a ladder with a 9" grinder I was using. At least now the scar is flesh colored. :-)

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T_Bone

10-02-2003 09:58:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Nolan, 10-02-2003 03:21:07  
Hi Nolan,

No I read your post correct.

We had more sticths with the 4.5" than we did with the 5" as the 5" is slightly smaller in body size than a 7" but twice as large as a 4.5" body with the 5" weighing very little more than a 4.5".

That was my point you just made, most people think a 4.5" can be controlled easy with one hand when in fact it's a accident waiting to happen.

While using the 4.5" on Pipe is when the most common injury happened but also on plate.

We also had a full face shield hanging up in the shop with a piece of grinding wheel lodged half way thru the face shield. That was from a guy forcing the grinding wheel too hard after using the wheel on aluminum then on steel. The wheel was not aluminum rated and plugged when used then exploded from the heat build up of steel.

T_Bone

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BFO

10-01-2003 03:06:21




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I've had the other brands, but now Walter/Metabo are the only grinders I use.



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Greg

09-30-2003 22:41:57




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
I have seven of the milwaukee grinders [5/8" x 11]. If I was only limited to one it would be the 6154-20 or the 5" with the same spec's. The only handi-cap I have when using these two is with the 'soft start', when plugged into the portable engine driven welder I have to leave the low idle switch off or tickle/trick it into high to have power to start the grinder. At 12 amps & an adjustable speed range of 4000 to 11,000 rpm's its enough grinder for most anyone [within reason & common sense of course ;>} ].

If looking at the 7-9" grinders 5-6,000 rpm's are easier on the wallet, just price some of the consumables for the 8,500 grinders.

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T_Bone

09-30-2003 21:34:09




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
Hi Richard,

I really like Millwaukee power tools and own several. However the 4.5" uses a 1/2" arbor and your hands are too close to the wheel at most times. I very seldom use it. They do make the best 7" and 9" but there monsters for heavy grinding work.

I also have a Makita 5" M#9005 or 9004?, have too look, 10000rpm 5/8"arbor. The body is long and easy to grip and use but much lighter than a Mil-7". A very good grinder for all around use but it's not for heavy grinding, just don't push as hard. Hands are free and clear of the wheel. I've used one for the past 20yrs and it's still kicking.

If I was going to only own one grinder it would be the Makita 5".

T_Bone

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SHeiserman

09-30-2003 21:58:44




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 Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to T_Bone, 09-30-2003 21:34:09  
Dead on. I've had the 5" Makita for 10 years. Believe I paid 120 for it at that time through Kel-Welco. Don't know if they still make it or not. My biggest complaint about the Milwaukee would be the switch. I don't like that set-up.



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Brent in Iowa

10-01-2003 10:11:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Angle Grinders in reply to SHeiserman, 09-30-2003 21:58:44  
Yep, Have a Makita 4.5 inch and love it. I also have a 9" (I think) that I use for the really heavy grinding, but there is no way that if I could only have one size that I would go other than 4.5 inch as the others are too heavy, awkward, and don't fit into small places well.



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RJ-AZ

09-30-2003 20:16:37




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 Re: Angle Grinders in reply to Richard Fazio, 09-30-2003 19:45:08  
Richard most all of the bigger grinder have a 5/8" threaded arbor and take more accessorys than the 4.5". Stick with Milwaukee & De Walt, Ryobi & Bosch are OK too.



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