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equipping a workshop from the ground up

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Paul (C IL)

09-19-2003 14:47:26




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If you had virtually no tools other than a socket and wrench set; and wanted to equip a workshop to restore a Ford 640 to workable condition (and hopefully other similar projects in the future), and had a budget for tools of about $1500. What would you buy?




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Jonesy

09-21-2003 22:26:07




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
Hello all. I too am stocking up the shop and have found that Ebay is the ONLY place to buy tools. Im on a budget but have a love of craftsman tools. I go to Sears and price what Im after and get it on ebay for 20 to 50% cheaper NEW. Thats my 1/2 of 2 cents. Once agian Im on a budget.



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Dave in GA

09-22-2003 10:34:12




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 Re: Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Jonesy, 09-21-2003 22:26:07  
I agree with the Ebay comment, having purchased a number of new and used hard-to-find tools there for a fraction of the cost of Craftsman. Pawn shops can be great tool sources also. There are many shops in my areas, and some tend to keep well-stocked with used hand tools. All of my sockets, ratchets, and wrenches are used tools from pawn shops, and they were inexpensive even though many are Craftsman and other top names. I wouldn't purchase power tools at pawn shops though. You never know what kind of abuse they went through before ending up on the shelf. I'd rather spend a little more and get new power tools.

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bill in colo

09-21-2003 20:43:07




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
First get a torch...I've found that checking out pawn shop can sure fill some woids in sets.



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MarkB

09-20-2003 03:41:16




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
In decreasing order of importance:

Workbench. Build it yourself for $200.

A good vise. $100

A good (Smith, Victor or Harris) Acetylene torch. $500 for the torch and tanks.

Floor jack or bottle jack. $50

A good 3/8 drill motor. $100

Misc hand tools, including hammers, punches, chisels, screwdrivers, pliers, files, small and large vise grips. $250.

Which leaves $300 for a welder, compressor or cherry picker.

To work on tractors, sooner or later you'll need 3/4" drive sockets. I buy mine one at a time when I need them.

A small angle grinder is nearly indispensable.

Sooner or later you'll buy an air compressor. (Probably sooner.)

Many of the things you'll need you can borrow when you need them if you have an understanding brother-in-law.

Don't put off buying a torch because of the cost. You'll quickly find out that you can't dismantle these old machines without breaking something if you don't have some heat.

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F14

09-20-2003 02:34:56




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
I think the way you phrased your question confused some folks.

"A completely equipped shop" is pretty open ended, and you can easily spend 10 times your budget, as folks stated below.

"Enough tools to rebuild an old tractor" is a whole other situation. If you shop carefully, you should be able to get pretty well set up for $1500.

A good selection of sockets and hand wrenches is obviously critical. I just started as a mechanic at an equipment rental place, and took most of my tools to work. I've been restocking the home toolbox by shopping at Walmart and Home Depot. Don't laugh, you can get some good tools at Walmart at decent prices. I've gotten good sets of 3/8 and 1/2 drive Stanley sockets both standard and metric in deep well and regular, with ratchets and extensions, and spent less than $100, by catching them on sale.

You can save a few bucks by starting with the 1/2" sockets only. You'll need the heavier ones, the 3/8 are lighter and easier to use, but except on rare occasions where access is a problem, you can do everything with the 1/2". A long flex bar is handy for the really tight fasteners. 2 foot minimum, 3 foot is better.

Good combination wrenches, preferably 2 sets so you have one for the bolt and one for the nut when needed. Stanley or Husky are decent quality and very reasonable.

A good set of screwdrivers. Again, Stanley.

Vise grips in a couple of sizes

A GOOD adjustable wrench. No K Mart stuff here, you need to be able to put some grunt behind it without it slipping.

An impact wrench. If you can work in an air compressor get an air drive, if not, a good electric will do a lot of work for you.

Center punch, pin punches, drift punches, a big brass punch, a big ball pein or 3 pound machinists hammer.

An oxy/acetylene torch is darn near indispensable, but expensive.

You should be able to get most of that for your $1500 easily enough. Until your budget improves you can rent cherry pickers and engine stands and such.

Good luck, and have fun!

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JMS/MN

09-19-2003 22:59:43




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
I would not let the other posters scare you into thinking you need to spend a gazillion bucks to work on a tractor. A Ford 640 is from what- the 50s, 60s?. My Dad overhauled our AC tractors back then with not even a complete socket set! The hoist was the fence wire stretcher hung from a ceiling beam. If he had needed a splitting stand, which he didn't, he would have made one from scrap iron with the welder, which he bought for about $200 (1960 dollars). The grinder/drill was a double ended arbor mounted on an old cream separator stand with an electric motor. A big purchase back then was a 1/2 inch Craftsman drill, which he bought to build self-unloading silage boxes. The secret of rebuilding/restoring tractors is not in how much you can spend on tools- it is in learning what is necessary to get the job done, getting the manuals for the specs you need to adhere to in order to do a responsible job, and taking the time to accomplish that. Visit with others to learn the necessary techniques, etc. The beauty of old tractors is their simplicity.

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buck

09-19-2003 20:17:48




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  

Like others have said, there is no end to the tools that will be required in your shop but my advice is to begin with air and for tractors you will want a compressor that will handle at least a 3/4"impact and a good sandblaster.Just check out all the air driven tools avilable.The only time I call upon the manual ratchet is when there is no air hose around. Avoid buying sets of tools when you only need pieces of the set.I have drawers full of wrenches that have never been used because they were in sets and most sets won't even have that 11/16 that you need. Floor jacks-get at least two and better three-one may be tied up on that split for some time. Jack stands- the best and at least 2 sets tall enough for your tractor.Remember that machine work and paint and body work don't mix so be honest with yourself as to which one you want to put your tool budget into.It isn't going to be long before you find out that 1/2" drive stuff isn't going to get the job done so keep an eye out for some good 3/4" stuff.

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kyhayman

09-19-2003 19:15:04




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
$1500 doesn't go far on making a full servide shop, but it is a start. When I started out in the 80's I bought my equipment out of the jumk pile and fixed it into workable condition. Gradually added more tools.

First of all, farm out your engine work. Those tools cost too much and they have to be good quality. I've got 4 times that in engine tools alone and I don't do most of my own engines.

I would want a good set of wrenches and sockets 3/8 and 1/2" drive. Plus a breaking bar up to 1-1/4". Good screw drivers, Allen wrenches and GOOD punches and drifts. (figure that $500 will get you a good set of Craftsman stuff if you watch the sales). Drill and drop cord plus good bits ($100). A floor jack and a set of stands (I use Harbor Freight brand) ($200). Good set of oxy acetylene torches (I like Victor, get the weldng tips, can weld and braze with these)($500 including buying your own tanks) Air compressor, DA sander, air grinder, and paint gun ($650). I would stock in that order, this runs a little more than your budget. If funds would allow hiring a welder he bring in his tanks I would get the compressor first. This to me would be bare bones stuff. I made do with a bunch of things (like using my a/c compressor on my truck and an air tank as a compressor to paint my first hay rake.

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Van(WA)

09-19-2003 16:28:24




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
Paul; With that "tight" budget, you have to look at your Nickel Ads, and look for used tools!! A lot of good tools to be had, that will fit your pocket book. I would want a gas torch, floor jack,drill press,maybe a buzz box, or wire welder,the list goes on and on----but with a good set of sockets, end wrenches, and screw drivers, you can do a lot!!! it takes years to build up a good shop with tools.....

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John

09-19-2003 15:06:42




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 Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to Paul (C IL), 09-19-2003 14:47:26  
first buy a gun and use it to rob a quick mart to get more money...

seriously...

depending on where the engine is.... a cherry picker... don't buy cheap... 460s weigh in excess of 750#... buy substantial

engine stand... same as above... I've heard of 460s bending cheap stands down to the ground

a good clicker type torque wrench with at least 150 ft lbs

of course a complete set of sockets/ratchets and wrenches..

are you doing your own engine work ?? probably not... but a accurate set of mics, calipers, snap gauges will give you initial measurements..
a dial indicator and a stand for spanning cylinder holes for measuring clearance of the dome.

die grinders and carbide bits for hogging out the exhaust ports and match grinding the ports to the gaskets.

ring compressors and valve spring compressors (if you're doing your own head work)

a drip pan under the engine stand...

air compressor and air ratchets, impact wrench and sockets...

more later... my head is tired..

John

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george md

09-19-2003 19:18:16




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 Re: Re: equipping a workshop from the ground up in reply to John, 09-19-2003 15:06:42  
John ,

having had a repair shop and machine shop for many years I agree with you . I really think
he needs to add a zero to the end of his budget and multiply by 3 or 4 , that will get you started
in the repair business . You can put 10 or 15,000 in one roller cabinet . The one thing I would not
waste money on is a click type torque wrench , any even junk beam wrenches are as accurate or more so
than a click , dial reading come in a close second
and click last. Have checked many on a torque wrench checker , never found a beam that was wrong
, rarely ever find an accurate click type .Clicks were designed to use when you can't see to read a beam or dial type .

george

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Travis

09-20-2003 06:34:47




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 Re: Re: Re: equipping a workshop from the ground u in reply to george md, 09-19-2003 19:18:16  
george_md,

Are you talking ANY clicker type torque wrenches? I have two Snap-Ons(1/2"dr and 3/8"dr) and the 3/8" isn't that old but has always ben good to me. The 1/2" has got to be over 20 years old I think and when I built the engine for my pickup I checked it with GM's digital torque/angle meter and it would click as soon as the meter said I had hit the correct torque. It's never been calibrated as far as I know(Snap-On wants $50 to do it) but I feel that it has got to be within 1-2lbs.

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george md

09-20-2003 10:28:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: equipping a workshop from the grou in reply to Travis, 09-20-2003 06:34:47  
Travis, If you have an accurate one ,you are lucky, I do have a 3/8 that is reasonably close , Have 2 1/2 in that are and have been 15 # light from new,
and a 3/4 that runs from 25 light thru accurate to 25 heavy and cannot make it run linear . also have a 1 1/2 in dial reading that works well . We build engines mostly and like to have at least reasonably accurate wrenches . I use beam type almost all the time, they also give you a feel weather
the bolt is stretching that you don't get with click.

george

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Don c

09-22-2003 05:00:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: equipping a workshop from the in reply to george md, 09-20-2003 10:28:44  
Have heard this before about the clickers, have 1 and looking for a beam one. Like the idea of having the feeling of how much pressure you are appling instead of waiting on a click or worse yet a broken bolt that hasn't reached the click yet.



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