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Jim K

09-13-2003 06:45:15




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Hi guys I have an old 1940's cement mixer that I want to use to make cement for a walkway.
It holds maybe less than a quarter yard.
what I need to know is what the sand to cement to stone ratio is, Iwill be using pea stone to mix in with the cement.
Any help will be apprieciated.
Jim K




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JOHN (LA)

09-13-2003 13:14:00




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 Re: recipe for cement in reply to Jim K, 09-13-2003 06:45:15  
the standard mixture for concrete is 1 concrete-2 sand-3 rocks like rod said. adding more concrete such as a 2-2-3 makes it break at a higher strength, usualy not needed for home use.



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Chris-se-ILL

09-13-2003 07:20:07




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 Re: recipe for cement in reply to Jim K, 09-13-2003 06:45:15  
Jim, I can't tell ya what the ratios are...

But Dad always mixed the cement when we would run concrete. We have a small mixer that has been around since the early '50s. He would divide a bag of cement into thirds {he would use 5 gallon buckets and fill them to equal proportions}. One bucket was used per batch. We had a certain medium sized, rounded, gravel shovel that we always used {he always said that he couldn't mix cement without that shovel}. And we used a small sized milk bucket to measure the water.

{While the mixer is running} - I would put 3/4 (or slightly more) of a bucket of water into the mixer and then shovel 3 scoops of sand/gravel mixture in {the gravel pit would blend the sand/gravel proportions for us}. Then Dad would shake one bucket (1/3 of a bag) full of cement "powder" into the mixer {do not add all the cement in at one time or you get big clumps or lumps of powder that do not mix well}. Then I would add 6 more scoops of sand/gravel mix. Then, as the mixer mixed the batch I would add just a small amount of water as needed {and believe me that a cup of water goes a long way! It doesn't take much water to go from too thick... to soup!}

I know that this does not help much because the measurements are vague... but it is fun for me to remember these things!

Oh yea... I almost forgot, we used a tub or barrel to "dip" the water bucket full... when running multiple batches. That way the water was readily available and we would not have to wait for each small bucket of water to fill from a hose while mixing.

If you were to call a gravel pit, they most likely could tell you the different sand/gravel ratio mixtures {there are different percentages for different projects} and/or... they would just mix you a p/u truck load.

Good luck!

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Rod (NH)

09-13-2003 07:03:24




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 Re: recipe for cement in reply to Jim K, 09-13-2003 06:45:15  
Hi Jim,

I've always used 1 cement, 2 sand, 3 stone by volume. I have had excellent luck with that mix.

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Jim K

09-13-2003 17:32:31




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 Re: Re: recipe for cement in reply to Rod (NH), 09-13-2003 07:03:24  
This helps alot thanks guys



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Bernie in MA

09-14-2003 17:27:02




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 Re: Re: Re: recipe for cement in reply to Jim K, 09-13-2003 17:32:31  
The amount of water is what determines the strength of the concrete. Five gallons to a bag (for hi-strength posts, watertroughs, etc,), six gal for floors and most stuff, seven gal for footings, etc. Put all the water in the mixer (turning), put about half the sand/stone mix (I use 50/50), dump in all the cement and add more sand/stone until it's the consistency you want. If the mixer is running over cut down on the stone. That's what my aggie college farm construction book from 50 years ago says and that's the way I've always mixed it. My mixer is a one-bag.

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JOHN (LA)

09-14-2003 17:53:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: recipe for cement in reply to Bernie in MA, 09-14-2003 17:27:02  
Water amount or slump test has nothing to do with strength. Concrete with more water or higher slump test only affects the finishing quality because of uniformity between different loads. in fact more water is better in some tempature zones as it extends cure time. Just like covering and misting will do. The only way that water amount will efect strength is if you have it so soupie the rocks will not stay supended in the mix and settle to the bottom.
CHECK THIS OUT;
http://www.concretenetwork.com/jobsite/slump_test.htm

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sjh

09-15-2003 11:30:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recipe for cement in reply to JOHN (LA), 09-14-2003 17:53:32  
1 The more water you ad the less strenth you will get.
2 More water you add the longer the cure time. True, but the less strenth you will have. See # 1
3 Covers and mistings are used to keep the concrete from dryng out.
4 Soupy mixxes. See #1
How do I know. I do quality control in the concrete field.



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DaveCA

09-15-2003 05:22:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recipe for cement in reply to JOHN (LA), 09-14-2003 17:53:32  
Some clarification may be needed, here's a quote from Link I added 'CAPS' for emphasis. "In designing concrete mixes by either the American Concrete Institute or the Portland Cement Association method, strength and durability are governed by the water-cement ratio (pounds of water per pound of cement), not by slump. It is possible to meet the same standards for concrete through a wide range of slumps – AS LONG AS CEMENT IS ADDED in the SAME PROPORTION as water is added to increase slump. Overly-wet mixes should be avoided, of course, because they can lead to finishing problems and problem surfaces..."

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