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Pat

09-10-2003 16:29:51




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Have not had much luck with ez outs, or Sears extractors. They break and then you can't drill. Some one mentioned left hand drill bits on a forum. Where is a good source for LH bits, or GOOD extractors? Thanks. Pat




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Virg Macy

03-10-2006 10:29:20




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
Shep, yes these special rods do really work, for me these are the only way out.The weld does not stick to the threads and once you come out of the hole put the nut on and weld up and out of the nut,smash the weld downover the nut and weld on top the nut,cool and remove.
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Virg



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Shep Va

09-11-2003 05:39:42




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
EZ outs and left handed drill bits really suck. I have used them, broke them and ruined holes trying to get broken bolts and tools out of them. I threw them away.

What I do is get a special welding rod from my welding supply store thats called a bolt extracting rod and use that to get broken bolts out. You simply weld on to the broken bolt and weld up out of the hole and then weld on to a nut at the top. Let it all cool down and put a wrench on the nut you welded on and the entire mess spins right out. Tons easier than trying to drill a grade 8 bolt or a broken EZ out. You can also pull out broken off taps easily.

I will never use an EZ out again, I hate them. Go check with your local welding store and get some of those rods.

Just my 2 cents

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Robert in W. Mi

09-11-2003 12:05:51




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 Re: Re: EZ outs in reply to Shep Va, 09-11-2003 05:39:42  
I've used EZouts and also several other methods to extract a busted off bolt. And yes i've welded a nut on too. Nothing works "all" the time, so you just have to learn from experience what to try first!! I've had good luck with the EZouts, but like i said, "nothing" works "every time"!! Robert



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Bob

09-11-2003 06:30:04




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 Re: Re: EZ outs in reply to Shep Va, 09-11-2003 05:39:42  
Shep, if the bolt is broken off down in the hole a way do these still work? What keeps the weld from attaching to the threads of the hole and really screwing things up?



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dano

09-11-2003 08:35:40




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 Re: Re: Re: EZ outs in reply to Bob, 09-11-2003 06:30:04  
That is a good question I have used my wire welder using that method but if the bolt below the surface it limits your options. Drill it out and retap would be my choice (helicoil if resize is an issue)



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RJ-Az

09-11-2003 18:31:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: EZ outs in reply to dano, 09-11-2003 08:35:40  
This is a special rod, it's available in small diameter. We got some for our shop from a welding supply salesman I can't remember which one. You stick tour rod down in the hole and just start filling up to the top. You can weld on a nut if you want or I've just grabbed the nub with a pair of vise-grips and turned it out. It's not foolproof and unless you're good with a stick machine it ca be tricky.

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RJ-AZ

09-10-2003 20:44:06




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
There are as many sources for left hand drill bits as there are prices. Good ones are the titanium nitride bits or the cobalt bits. They are worth the money. Norhtern has agood looking set for a decent price - mine are from Lawson. After many years turning wrenches i have found it's not easy out but easy does it. A little heat, penetrating oil and other techniques help to prevent broken bits taps and EZ outs.

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Don Young

09-10-2003 20:41:57




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
There are extractors made by Ridgid Tool, sold by Snap-On and probably others that have straight splines. You drill completely thru the broken part, drive the extractor through it and slide a special hex outside driver down over the extractor. The thin shell of the broken part is somewhat distorted by the extractor splines and often comes out fairly easily. Can be pretty hard to get back out if the part does not loosen. Will generally slightly twist before breaking. I have used these for about 50 years.

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Wayne

09-10-2003 20:18:42




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
Hanson makes a set of easy outs that are the spiral type and are short with a hex head to use a wrench on. Being short they aren't as likely to twist off like the other types, but like the others if you get on them too hard they will. I work on heavy equipment for as living and have used this type for years and I love them over the other types. I bought a new, full set for my service truck about 6 months ago that went from I believe 3/16" to 1" for about $70.

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markct

09-10-2003 19:10:08




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
easy outs have there uses, if a bolt is in so tight that ya break off an easy out then a left hand drill aint gona take it out either. i have used easy outs many times with success, i have also had many times they didnt work but i stopped before i broke them off. the problem is that some people simply wrench onto them till they twist off then they are even worst off cause now they cant drill it easily. i did break off a few easy outs, most when i was less than 14 or so, i have now learned not to force them till they break, since then i have never broken an easy out off in anything, but i have had many parts an easy out wouldnt take the bolt out on. for those often you can simply drill out to the tap drill size and pick out the threads and then chase them with a tap. whatever method you use make sure you start your drill bit straight and centered or it will be a disaster. another method i like is welding a nut to a broken off stud since often the heat from welding loosens it enough that it spins right out after. remember too that you can easily snap off a left hand drill bit too, and ya aint gona have any better luck drilling that out.

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george md

09-10-2003 17:09:03




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  
Pat,

They have had the wrong name since the

invention , should be called hard outs as there

is nothing easy about them.

I use the square ones ( Ace or Hanson ) they

work much better than the spiral ones , never

use a spiral one on a brass fitting it will

swell the brass locking it in place.

MSC has lh drill bits of all sizes.

george



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Steve-Maine

09-10-2003 17:03:49




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 Re: EZ outs in reply to Pat, 09-10-2003 16:29:51  

I just started using left handed drill bits and they sure work great. I have seen them at www.northerntool.com They have differant sets.



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jack

09-10-2003 19:33:30




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 Re: Re: EZ outs in reply to Steve-Maine, 09-10-2003 17:03:49  
A cobalt drill bit will drill through the easy out if it breaks off. I had a hardened tap break off with about 1" left inside an engine block. The cobalt bit worked great. You can buy them at www.mcmaster.com

Jack



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CWL

09-11-2003 09:11:24




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 Re: Re: Re: EZ outs in reply to jack, 09-10-2003 19:33:30  
Are you sure your not thinking about carbide bits. They are considerably harder than cobalt, but they are easy to chip.



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