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Aaron

09-10-2003 08:18:44




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I have a couple of questions. First does anyone have any plan for a self-storage building. Also I am planing one 24' wide, can I get by with a single slope from front to back using a long roof joist. Thank You




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Hermit

09-10-2003 19:20:57




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 Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to Aaron, 09-10-2003 08:18:44  
Here are websites with building plans for various types of buildings. Have fun.

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http://www.cps.gov.on.ca/english/planmenu.htm



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David - OR

09-10-2003 13:52:25




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 Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to Aaron, 09-10-2003 08:18:44  
The stress on a simply supported beam with a uniform distributed load goes up with the cube of the length. Long beams get out of hand very quickly. Generally speaking, a 24 foot clear span distance is very, very difficult for supporting any kind of snow, wind, or live load.

The minimum design is typically 5 pound per square foot dead load, plus 25 pound per square foot live load. I think 24 feet is beyond the reach of sawn lumber, even with the 1/3 stress increase for live load. (Deep TJI's might (barely) work in mild climates). The actual load requirements are a function of your climate (amount of snow and wind).

Now, if you didn't care about clear span and could put in a center beam, then this would be easy to do with ordinary lumber. Cut the span down to 12 feet and you have 1/8 the stress (and 1/16 of the deflection).

If you do want a clear span, go down to the local building supply place and order some 24 foot roof trusses. A 24 foot span is considered the "commodity span", and these are much cheaper than trusses even one foot longer or shorter. Get the walls up first, and the truss company will deliver the trusses atop your walls with their boom truck "for free".

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Slowpoke

09-10-2003 23:27:39




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 Re: Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to David - OR, 09-10-2003 13:52:25  
DAVID-OR...would you mind defining "live load", and "dead load"? My inspector wants to know what the load will be on top of a "storage room" (10' span) inside the shop building, which will have a 6" slab. He wants a a footing under the storage room wall perimeter. I figured an additional 6" deep by 12" wide would be sufficient for items less than engines and transmissions.
Thanks



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David - OR

09-12-2003 07:22:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to Slowpoke, 09-10-2003 23:27:39  
"Dead load" is the weight of the structure and permanent covering, if any. For a roof, that is the rafters, plywood, and shingles.

"Live load" is the weight of people or objects assumed to be supported by the floor, floor/ceiling assembly, or roof. This includes a usual allotment of furniture, but one is expected to make adjustments for unusual situations (say for a room holding a piano collection).

For residential occupancies, "dwelling" rooms are figured at 40 pounds per square foot. Some codes allow for "sleeping areas" to be figured at 30 pounds per square foot. "Attics" with storage are usually figured at 20 pounds per square foot live load.

If your storage room is simply a partition wall, separating one part of a building from another, you should not need a thickened slab. If you (or someone down the road) plan to somehow support weight (beyond the weight of the wall itself) then you do. (This makes the wall a "bearing wall"). So floor joists spanning the room, or a ceiling atop it with at least 30 inches of clear space above, would justify additional support for the wall. (It is assumed that someone, someday, may store their rock collection on top of the ceiling, even if you don't plan to).

The thickened slab you propose should meet most codes for up to a 40 PSF live load above the ceiling, assuming that you have reasonable soils below the slab.

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ScottT

09-10-2003 10:02:43




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 Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to Aaron, 09-10-2003 08:18:44  
Take a trip to Menards if they are in your area, you can get standard plans or design your own for just about any garage or pole barn.

Scott



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aaron

09-10-2003 08:24:54




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 Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to Aaron, 09-10-2003 08:18:44  
I'm trying to get by with the cheapest way of building a storage unit. I'm thinking of a pole barn type of construction with 8' walls. thanks



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paul

09-10-2003 15:54:25




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 Re: Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to aaron, 09-10-2003 08:24:54  
Might want to think about making a 'good' building instead of a 'cheap' building. What kind of people do you want to attract to your business, cheap people (who don't pay) or people willing & able to pay the goinging rate?

Anyhow, 24' slant is possible but certainl;y not practical, it will cost you more than buying trusses.

--->Paul



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JDK

09-10-2003 13:51:52




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 Re: Re: Self-Storage Building in reply to aaron, 09-10-2003 08:24:54  
Just a note.Check your area building codes.In some areas though Ag pole buildings are OK for farm/private use,but for rental or any public use must be"commercial" grade bldg.Friend built a 16 stall storage bldg a few yrs back,was unable to open for business,had to do almost 5K worth of upgrading to meet commercial codes.



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