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Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding

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Bill

06-14-2000 12:50:14




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I am getting ready to buy a mig welder (as you might know by my other post) and I wasn't sure what gas would be best to use, is there a gas that is good for all three metals? if not which gas goes with which metal. Also, I see different bottles being sold, ones for argon and ones for CO2, I guess it does matter which bottle goes with a certain gas, but which bottle would be used for a mixture Argon/CO2, would it be the Argon or the CO2 bottle, or is there a bottle for this mixture.

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Bill

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Steve U.S. Alloys

06-15-2000 06:23:28




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 Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to Bill, 06-14-2000 12:50:14  
Hello Bill,
You would benefit from a good basic welding course. You could learn about the different types of arc characteristics that wire welders can produce among other things, as well as, safety.

Once a bottle is filled with a particular gas or mixture, nothing else should ever be used in the bottle. Bottles are designed for safety in some cases. In other words, a helium bottle is threaded differently than an 02 bottle so the regulator will not interchange. C2H2 (Acetylene) bottles have low temp safety plugs built in to release gas in a fire. They also are filled with "pith" or "fullers earth", substances that absorb acetone so the C2H2 can be stabilized at pressures over 15# per square inch.

Here are some guidelines for shielding gas selection (mixtures)for wire welding with MIG/MAG process.
Aluminum: #1. 100% Ar- Up to 1" material thickness. Best metal transfer and arc stability with least spatter.
#2. 35%Ar/65%He- 1" to 3" material thickness. Higher heat input than pure Ar. Better fusion with 5xxx series AL and AL/Mg alloys.
#3. 25%AR/75%He- 3"+ material thickness. Highest heat input/least porosity.

Carbon Steel:
#1. 95%Ar/3.5% O2- Regardless of material thickness. Improved arc stability; more fluid and controllable puddle. Good bead contour, minimal undercut, high travel speed.
#2. 90%Ar/10%Co2- low cost manual welding, high speed robotic welders.

Low alloy steel: 98%Ar/2%O2- good notch toughness with minimal undercut.
Other mixtures of various composition are required for stainless steel, magnesium, etc.

You can buy your own bottle to avoid lease charges or daily rental fees. You are probably going to pay for a cleaning and annealing once a year. Yes, the gas house is obligated to fill those bottles if your certification papers are presented to them. (comes from the bottle manufacturer with the bottle.) If I can be of further assistance, you may contact me by e-mail or thru our site at>Link
HTH Steve

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MarkB

06-14-2000 17:40:18




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 Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to Bill, 06-14-2000 12:50:14  
It depends on what you are doing. Your welding gas dealer will sell you the correct bottle filled with the appropriate gas.

Don't make the mistake of buying your bottle from anybody other than the gas dealer that you intend to deal with. The dealer is under no obligation to fill a bottle you bought from someone else.

Actually, most places don't actually fill your cylinder, they exchange it.

Most places will sell you an Argon/CO2 mixture that will cover most of your requirements. Straight CO2 is cheaper, but you'd have to do a lot of welding to make any difference.

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BFO

06-14-2000 14:44:12




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 Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to Bill, 06-14-2000 12:50:14  
I don't know what you're welding, but to give you an idea, I need two bottles for what I do with the wire welder. For mild steel, and ER70S-6 I use a mig-mix of 75% CO2, and 25% Argon (it's cheap). For Al., I keep an Argon cylinder handy. Your welding supplier would best help you, because I don't know if you're spray arc, or short circuit, solid wire or flux core, there are different exotic mixes that work best. Yes they are mixed in the same cylinder. Hope this helps. Bill

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jimmyzz

06-14-2000 23:51:33




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 Re: Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to BFO, 06-14-2000 14:44:12  
uou could get a bottle of argon and another of co2. you will need flow meteers instead of regulators. you can use just argon for alum. or mix for steel.



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F14

06-14-2000 14:39:44




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 Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to Bill, 06-14-2000 12:50:14  
I use a mixture of Argon and CO2 in my MIG welder. My gas supplier sells it as "Stargon" and it comes in a purple bottle. Great stuff for "junkyard" welding when your joints aren't perfectly clean.



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Tyler(WA)

06-14-2000 13:03:14




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 Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to Bill, 06-14-2000 12:50:14  
I don't know anyone who would/could/should mix two different gasses in the same bottle. Usually, you would have a bottle of Argon and another of CO2. If you needed to mix the gasses, you would do that in a manifold that you would feed the two gasses into.

As for the gas to metal answers, ask your local welding supplier. They are all too willing to help you spend your money and offering you good free advice will keep you coming back to them. I visit my supplier everytime I need good advice and they always come through for me.

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jimmyzz

06-14-2000 23:54:47




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 Re: Re: Which gas and bottle to use for mig welding in reply to Tyler(WA), 06-14-2000 13:03:14  
most people who weld steel use argon/co2 mixed in same bottle. check with your supplier, they shouild furnish it or they are trying to sell you something you may not need.



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