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glenshoe

08-29-2003 18:05:27




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I'm getting ready to build my new shop building and am thinking of putting in "W" roof trusses. I want to build them myself and they don't seem that difficult if I knew the dimensional relationships of the various legs or chords. I can't seem to find all of the design criteria anywhere including a google search. Any ideas? Thanks, Glenn




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Mary

09-01-2003 18:12:27




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Just had trusses delivered for building but it has rained . Can anyone tell me if it will hurt the trusses to be out in weather for a while



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MarkB

09-02-2003 03:20:40




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 Re: Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to Mary, 09-01-2003 18:12:27  
They'll be OK if they're lying flat and the straps are still in place.



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William

09-01-2003 22:38:56




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 Re: Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to Mary, 09-01-2003 18:12:27  
Make sure they are laying flat on the ground. Cover them with a good tarp. It might help.



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glenshoe

09-01-2003 05:37:16




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Thanks guys. I think you've convinced me to go with a commercial truss or maybe conventional rafters. However, thanks for the links to the plans anyway--it's interesting to study them and they may come in handy for some smaller utility buildings in the future. Glenn



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Robert in W. Mi

08-31-2003 17:55:29




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
It's NOT just a money issue either. Factory truss, have higher quality lumber in them where it counts, and are "pre-stressed"!!

I say put up "over built" rafters, or buy the truss'.

Robert



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Bob

08-31-2003 17:49:12




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
As an old retired Fire Chief--Prefab truss are not safe if you ever have a fire. They will fail much quicker than the old fashion 2 x 6 rafters. Just my two cents worth.



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MarkB

08-31-2003 17:25:15




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
If your building has to be inspected, better talk to the building inspector first. Around here, the inspector wants to see a truss drawing that's been stamped by a licensed professional engineer. No tickee, no washee.

Like the other posters, I agree that building your own trusses only makes sense if your time and lumber are free.



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E. Borchardt

08-31-2003 09:41:45




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Gents, I have just priced trusses for my project. Here in So. Az. 20' span trusses were quoted to me for $38.00 ea. I don't think that I can buy the lumber for that.



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William

08-31-2003 06:14:56




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
I Don't know if this is the same as the links posted below, but try it. You can find all kinds of Truss/rafter plans in different sizes. Also a lot of helpful ideas and plans for others stuff.

http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/abeng/plans/index.htm



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KURT

08-31-2003 03:47:58




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
When I built my garage 22' wide by 50' deep. I bought 25 trusses for about $4000. 5/12 pitch, 1'overhangs, 2x4's. If I could make them myself for $1,000 then I may have done it if I had the time but I would definitely talk to the building inspector. And if you build em yourself then dont skimp on anything.



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Hal/WA

08-30-2003 14:21:09




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
I agree with the other posters--the truss company trusses are usually a better buy than building your own trusses. I built my own trusses for one of my buildings when I was really poor. It took a long time, I had to overbuild them and they were a hassle to get in place on top of the walls. I would say that they were durable, as that building had a tree top fall on it and all the trusses survived with little damage.

At least around here, the commercial trusses are put together with nailer plates that are pressed onto the wood with a roller or press. I have tried to remove a few of those nailer plates and found it to be just about impossible. That makes me think that the pressed on nailer plates are probably stronger and more efficient than the plywood gussets and nails I have used. I have tried using similar nailer plates, but don't have the tool to press them on. The truss companies are set up to put together trusses that have been precision engineered to do a given job and their trusses are extremely accurate duplicates of eachother. And if your time is worth anything, the commercial trusses probably come out cheaper than building your own.

You might want to talk to your local truss companies to see what kind of deal you could get on trusses of various sizes and then design your building around the size you select as being right for you and within your budget. 24'wide trusses are very common and the truss company probably would have them in stock, already built. They can probably build almost any size, but as they get wider, they naturally get more expensive.

A friend of mine got a real deal on a bunch of trusses that someone ordered and partially paid for, but never picked up. Someone he knows worked at the truss plant and told him about these trusses, which had been built and were being stored for more than a year. They wanted them out of there and gave him an almost give-away deal on these very wide, oddball sized trusses. My buddy then designed his new shop around the cheap trusses. His new shop is way wider than he would have built, but I am sure he will use the extra room.

And most truss companies will deliver the trusses to your building site and place them bundled together on the walls for free or next to nothing.

Except for really small buildings, I will always buy the trusses from now on. Life is too short.....

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Green-in-MI

08-30-2003 09:04:51




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
You are correct, technically they are not that difficult to build. But in the time it takes you to build just one I could have most or all of my prefabricated trusses on the roof. If you plan to insure that building and its expensive shop contents then you should also plan on using prefabricted trusses. You will have no chance of getting insurance payoff if you do-it-yourself and for any reason they fail. Your building inspector will have a say in it too. Not saying that your work is not quality, but there are other much better places for your labor time than building trusses. I suggest the lumberyard for trusses because they are cheap. In some states you must even be a certified fabricator to build trusses. It just is not worth it to build your own trusses.

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willie j

08-30-2003 06:14:54




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
glenshoe
Been there, done that. To make a short story long, back in 1977, my inlaws & I took down an old lumber yard building for salvage lumber. Our only cash cost was for nails & concrete to build 2 garages. Found a book in the stuff for designing trusses, giving all the dimensions. Plywood gussets at the joints requires approx 600(yup, six hundred)6d nails per truss. That's a lot of hammer swinging, but that was our summer project. Factory trusses were approx $30 each, but we had free 2x6 lumber & lots of time. Took 4 men approx 1 1/2 hours to build each truss. Figureing time, materials& refreshment costs it would have been cheaper to buy trusses if we had had to buy the lumber.
HTH
Willie J

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Gary

08-30-2003 05:48:47




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Trusses are cheap and are designed and constructed properly. There should be other areas where you can save a buck.



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RayP(MI)

08-30-2003 05:10:35




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Find one that meets your specifications and copy? I would look at commercially made ones very carefully, you may find that you can get them as cheap as you can get the materials, and include your labor, which has to be worth something!



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ted

08-29-2003 22:36:33




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Midwest Plan Service, through universities, has a book that includes caculating and building trusses. I takes all environmental factors into the caculation. They use plywood on the joints since it is not possible to use press in ones. One of the main things to remember is to have the trusses fixed securely to the post, otherwise your roof might lift up in a large wind. If I can find my copy i could send you a copy of the right pages.

I just searched and found this, It may help. I can't read it, my PDF viewer is down. I don't know wether it takes snow or a ceiling load into account or not.

Link

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Hermit

08-29-2003 19:49:11




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
Here is a website that has blueprints for all kinds of trusses depending on your requirements. Have fun.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~mwps_dis/mwps_web/tr_plans.html



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Dave Wis

08-29-2003 19:16:48




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 Re: DIY roof trusses in reply to glenshoe, 08-29-2003 18:05:27  
You may not get alot of replies to this, (liability issues). That said, trusses are design engineered for a specific application. Span, spacing, loading(dead and live) among other criteria are used to determine chord and web size and location, plate sizes, and species of wood used. If you build them yourself you will probably need to overbuild them to be sure they are strong enough because if they aren't it will cost alot more than what you save. You may get some suggestions from a local builder or lumberyard. Good luck.

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