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What is galvinized steel?

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Dan

08-25-2003 20:48:19




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Wondered about this for a while, I understand its bad stuff to weld. Is it treated with something so it would not rust,as in a culvert application. Thanks for any info.




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Jeff

08-31-2003 20:15:59




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
WE had a man the other day at our show buils some battery boxes for a couple of our tracotors. He used galvinized sheet metal to build them so it sounded good till time to weld them. I hae tried using a TIG welder before on it with really ugly results. Best way I have seen so far to weld it is to take a wire brush on a hand grinder or a sanding disc and take the galvinizing off of the area you are going to weld. It's gonna burn off anyway so you might as well get rid of it and make the welds pretty.

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kyhayman

08-31-2003 05:46:01




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
I used a to avoid welding galvanized because of the welders flu symptoms. This summer I took an update course from Lincoln, used a flux cored mig wire that they have. I dont remember the name but no nasty zinc fumes and pretty looking welds. I used it and it was everything promised and more. They said ask for it at my regular vendor.



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David - OR

08-27-2003 07:36:30




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
The other responses are duly cautious, but several are a bit off the mark.

Galvanized steel is coated with thin layer of zinc. This forms a sacrificial anode which prevents corrosion of the steel. When you weld the galvanized material, the zinc is vaporized and/or oxidized. If you breath the fumes, you inhale zinc and zinc oxide. Enough of this can give rise to fairly unpleasant flu-like symptoms know as "welder fever" or "metal fume fever".

Zinc itself is not a deadly poison. It is, in fact, an essential mineral and you can buy bottles of it in the vitamin section of any pharmacy or grocery store. The fever symptoms are due to an "overdose" of zinc, but the body excretes the excess and there is no lasting damage or soft tissue accumulation as with lead.

Zinc oxide is a lung irritant, causing coughing and perhaps asthma-like symptoms
in severe cases. Recovery from such events is generally complete within 24 to 48 hours, and permanent lung damage is rare. Unpleasant, yes, "bad for you", yes, but perhaps no worse than firefighters face all the time and hardly in the same league as phosgene gas.

The vaporized zinc makes for a fairly nasty looking mess near the surface of the weld. With appropriate technique, one can avoid entrapping the zinc within the weld and thereby weakening the weld. Some measure needs to be taken to replace the corrosion protection lost in the region of the weld, such as paint or cold galvanizing compound.

Safety is always important, but it is equally important to understand what you are dealing with. Galvanized steel can be cut or welded just fine. Just try not to breath the fumes.

(Lead, cadmium, and chromium, also used in metal plating, are another matter entirely and much more problematic).

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kevin

08-28-2003 11:53:30




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 Re: Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to David - OR, 08-27-2003 07:36:30  
Finally, a reasoned and informed response.



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JMS/MN

08-26-2003 23:28:04




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
Bottom line is: weld galvanized steel and the zinc coating will come off and give you health problems, unless you do it with enough air movement away from you so you are away from the fumes. Yes, it is dangerous!



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Wayne

08-26-2003 21:23:36




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
Hi Dan, as someone who used to work in a hot dip galvanizing plant, I can tell you for a fact that the product used in the galvanizing process is a zinc alloy, but to be honest it's been so long ago I can't begin to remember all the components. I do remember that every night we filled a basket with pellets of one of the components that was prone to 'disappearing' as parts were dipped, and it was dropped into the vat of molten zinc til the basket was empty. I worked in the maintenance dept. and we were responsible for building as well as repairing all the dipping jigs. All I will say is that you can weld through hot dipped galvanizing with a 6011 rod. This was ONLY rod they would let us use, mainly because the rod alloy didn't react negitavely with the initial acid bath the parts are given, or so we were told. From our point of view though, it was because the 6011 had a hard enough arc to burn through the material built up on the jigs from multiple dippings. If your gonna weld a hot dipped part, don't expect pretty results, and don't expect it to hold up the world, because the best weld your gonna get 99.999% of the time isn't much more than can be described as functional. I only worked there for a year before moving on to a better paying job, but many of the guys had been there for years and we all did the same job of welding and repairing jigs, etc. I never knew anyone of us that ever got anykind of poisioning from the welding fumes. That's not to say that breathing them won't hurt you eventually because in a large enough quantity they will. What I'm saying is that if you follow standard good welding practices and have good ventilation as well as keeping your face out of the welding fumes you shouldn't have any problems. This also applies to cutting something that has been dipped with a torch. Unlike the welding arc, a torch won't just burn through the zinc, it will try to melt it away while at the same time attempting to cut whats underneath. Again, it can be done, but don't expect the results to be pretty. If all your working with though is culvert pipe, then cutting or welding either one shoukldn't be that big of a problem as the coatings on it are usually so thin, even if it is the dipped variety instead of the electro galvanized (polished looking) kind.
Well, that's my .02, if your attempting to weld some, good luck.

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dullknife

08-26-2003 12:54:34




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
the gas produced is fosgean or phsgene it is the gas used in war, look up spelling and check it out



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Gene Davis

08-26-2003 05:00:08




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
Welding/cutting galvanized metal give you LEAD POISIONING! NEVER BURN IT OR HEAT WITH OUT EXCELLENT VENTILATION. You can believe this one; it will make you very sick!!!!! And can make you very dead! it is doable but needs very rigid safety measures.



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Bill 52 8n

08-26-2003 09:02:26




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 Re: Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Gene Davis, 08-26-2003 05:00:08  
I didn't know you can get lead poisoning from zinc coated steel. lol And yes, zinc poisoning is just as harmful as lead poisoning.

Bill



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Vern

08-25-2003 21:39:21




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 Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-25-2003 20:48:19  
It is primarily zinc coated steel. the fumes given off when welding are bad stuff.



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Dan

08-26-2003 05:57:06




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 Re: Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Vern, 08-25-2003 21:39:21  
Thanks fellas,dually noted.



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Jimmy

08-30-2003 20:05:23




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 Re: Re: Re: What is galvinized steel? in reply to Dan, 08-26-2003 05:57:06  
I spent 15 years in the fence business. I welded gates and other fabrications almost everyday using galvanized pipe and a wire feed welder. I never had a problem making anything stay together nor did I ever get sick. But last night I was watching someone on the news babbling on and on about all the kids getting cancer from touching the treated wood containing arsenic. I would have thought that the lead paint would have gotten them by now. So I might be full of it.

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