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Running airline outside?

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Maxx

08-23-2003 05:48:32




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I just bought an upright compressor for my workshop that is in the basement. Due to local codes and also that I want to keep it away from all the sawdust, I need to install it in the garage. Unfortunately, I have to run about 10 feet of my airline outside before I can get it to my basement shop. Is there a problem with doing this? I'm planning on running 3/4 copper. (by the way, which type of coper, HD has type M and I think they said Type L?) Is this OK, and would insulating the line be of any benefit? I live in northern Ohio around Cleveland. I'm planning on sloping the outside run so as to allow any water to drain. I'll have a dryer on the line prior to it going outside.

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evielboweviel

08-25-2003 18:41:00




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 Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Maxx, 08-23-2003 05:48:32  
water will be your biggest problem. install blow down drains at compressor and when it enters house. Air dryer will help some however unless you use a dessicant dryer(BIG$$$) you will have freeze problems in winter. So install drains at both ends and slope from middle to both ends.



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Richard

08-24-2003 06:03:25




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 Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Maxx, 08-23-2003 05:48:32  
Looks like you have a pretty good plan. I agree with the remote switch. I like the idea of a dryer before you go outside, however I would recommend one inside the workshop as well. The temp change/cooling will condense even more water out.



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Chris-se-ILL

08-23-2003 09:49:07




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 Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Maxx, 08-23-2003 05:48:32  
Sounds like you are on the right track with the copper tubing (coiled type like used for gas lines). However I would personally use flared compression fitting instead of "any" soldered fittings! The flares will hold better under pressure {and vibration} and and there is less likelyhood of them "blowing out" {popping apart} under pressure. A good (quality) flaring tool will do wonders for your line.

If you bury the line outside make sure that you do not bury any gravel or rock against the copper itself. Rocks tend to rub holes in the copper. {When the propane company that my BIL owns would bury copper lines, he would use sand or fine dirt to cover the line for a few inches before filling the trench}.

Good luck (and remember to install good shutoff valves on both ends of the line).

Another thought... if the air supply is to be remote as you say... you may desire to install a remote switch for turning on or off the compressor to save a few footsteps between the garage and basement (maybe a 3-way switch)... just a thought!

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John

08-28-2003 01:42:07




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 Re: Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 08-23-2003 09:49:07  
I KNOW I WOULD USE FLARE FITTINGS. COMPRESSION WILL NOT WORK FOR GAS OR AIR.SOLDERDED FITTINGS MY WORK IF YOU ARE LUCKY BUT LOOK AT THE CODES FOR RUNNING GAS LINE.IF COPPER IS USED IT MUST HAVE FLARE FITTINGS.ALTHOUGH IF IT WERE ME I WOULD JUST USE SCH 40 PVC SURE IS A LOT CHEAPER.



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Ben in KY

08-25-2003 06:39:44




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 Re: Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 08-23-2003 09:49:07  
I would recommend putting the copper line thru a plastic line to protect it from rocks,etc. It will move when you draw air thru it and if a rock is pressing against it a hole will be created sooner or later.



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Rod (NH)

08-23-2003 06:41:58




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 Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Maxx, 08-23-2003 05:48:32  
Hi Maxx,

Sounds like you got it planned out pretty well. I think 3/4 cu is a very good choice. I assume you are under 200 psig here :o). Either type L or M will work fine for you. For either L or M (with solder joints), the allowable working pressure is determined by the solder used in the joints. That is significantly less that the pressure capability of the tubing itself. See this link. The type L has a little thicker wall and is more expensive. You should consider that if there is any possibility of physical damage to your line. It would be a little better when subject to any abuse. In any event, think about using the 95/5 tin/antimony solder instead of the 50/50 tin lead variety. It will get you a higher working pressure, as the link shows.

Insulating the line will help a lot as long as do not allow any low point "pockets" outside where moisture could collect. You seem to have that all well figured out with the sloping of the line.

Good luck in your installation.

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Slowpoke

08-24-2003 00:30:03




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 Re: Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Rod (NH), 08-23-2003 06:41:58  
Could the L or M tube be run thru 2" plastic pipe for mechanical protection? If so probably Schedule 80 electrical might be a good choice, since it's sunlight resistant.



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Maxx

08-25-2003 18:26:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Slowpoke, 08-24-2003 00:30:03  
Protection on the line outside is not an issue, it will be under a deck at ground level, so there is no danger of damage to it. Thanks for the help guys!



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Rod (NH)

08-24-2003 12:08:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Slowpoke, 08-24-2003 00:30:03  
Hi Slowpoke,

I suppose you COULD go to that trouble. You should evaluate the possibility of significant physical abuse though. If that possibility is real, rather than minor incidental, I would suggest the use of sch 40 steel pipe rather than copper. That is the "standard" in commercial/industrial settings for that service and would be superior to copper inside a plastic protective shield.

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Mike J

08-24-2003 07:32:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Running airline outside? in reply to Slowpoke, 08-24-2003 00:30:03  
I buried 100 ft. of 1\2 in. air hose 3 years ago about a foot deep so far so good no noise from the compressor and have 175lbs. preasure.



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