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EIL

08-20-2003 03:29:59




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OK. My birthday was a few day ago and I got the 25 piece 6 point SAE 1/2" drive socket set from sears and also got a 3/4" drive breaker bar from sears for half price cause they packaged the wrong thing. So now I am left with $80. Excluding sockets, wrenches, screwdrivers, and pliers, what would ya'll say is the most neccessary thing I need to get next? I was looking through some magazines and thought about a tap and die set. I saw a 39 piece craftsman set for $80 and I also saw a hanson 41 piece set for $90. The hanson set was in the harbor freight magazine. Both sets have taps and dies that go up to 1/2" in fine and coarse thread. What I like about the craftsman set is that the dies are hex shaped and that all the taps and dies have a lifetime warrenty. But I would like to know everyone's opinion on what tap and die sets are the best. Do companies usually have taps and dies in their shops for everyone to use or is it one of the tools that you are expected to have? Or instead of getting a tap and die set I could get a set of large screwdrivers, a set of prybars, and a flex ratchet, however, I would prefer to buy the expensive stuff now and worry about the cheaper things after I start working around May or June. Thanks for everyone's advise!!!!!

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Dale in WV

08-21-2003 18:38:05




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
Agree with the last posting although I'd rate the cordless tools higher my personal list. The cordless drill never gets put back into its case -- its always on the workbench with another battery pack being charged. My homeowner piddling has expanded with the purchase of a buzz box welder. Too expensive for your remaining $80, but watch for sales!! Pliers -- remember to include simple linemans pliers. Saw a guy wire a house and connect everything with linemans pliers and a screwdriver. Next favorite tool is the 4 1/2" angle grinder. That grinder can take you where a hack saw can't go and do the job faster. And did I mention it can clean up those sloppy weld jobs?? Sharpen mower blades?? I saw a bumper sticker in a magazine ad recently that says I Brake for Tools. That's me! Good luck on your purchases...

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arthur

08-21-2003 15:45:26




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
you will buy new drill bits. but you will break them or they will get dull find some old brokem ones and pratice sharping then look at a good one,s point too see the way it is ground get it close to that then try it to see how you did it will help some day when you realy need the one you just broke wish you well and many years of enjoyable working with the tools. OLDART. 78



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Rauville

08-21-2003 05:44:50




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
Buy a GOOD set of files, including a thread file (New Britain makes a 8 in 1) for cleaning up dinged up threads. It's surprising how many times something as simple as file makes a job easier when you're working around older stuff.



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Mike

08-21-2003 15:07:17




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 Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to Rauville, 08-21-2003 05:44:50  
thread files(calpro brand)
great for saving you behind some times.
they are made in both coarse/fine and metric



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wc allis

08-21-2003 02:54:26




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
I have mostly craftsman tools bought for me by my father who is a mechanic and hasbeen for 30 years. he buys snap on and mac for hiself and most if not all others in anyshop he worked at had the same. i have a couple mac tools and will say they are a much better tool for everyday use. the tool man will come to where ever you work. he will have used tool and a credit line. most guys in the shop are decent guys and will loan you tools when starting out. take care of their tools they are expencive and you do not want to lose the privilage. also i was a mechenic for 1 month and the shop that i worked in had a good selection of even basic tools anyone could use. the mechanic trade is hard and going computerized but a good trade if you do not mind grease. hope this helped from someone around it all his life

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Mike

08-20-2003 17:16:22




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
I use the heck out of my Gearwrenches(brand name)
and I also use my 6" box wrenches.
Don't forget a selection of GOOD ie Rigid pipe wrenches.
I also agree the taps and dies can wait,I have built my set over time as I need them.
The drill bit idea is also good,I buy a few at a time cause it can get expensive and now I have at least two full sets and a beater set to use on crap that does not matter or might ruin a good drill.

Mike.

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CWL

08-21-2003 10:40:43




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 Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to Mike, 08-20-2003 17:16:22  
Ditto on the gearwrenches. I also like stubby combination wrenches. A lot of people will argue, but the Wal-Mart popular mechanics tools are an okay buy for the money.



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Jerry B

08-20-2003 06:16:08




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
Some might say this is silly but, I would make sure I had aleast 2 different size hammers. Old iron rusts tightly sometimes and needs "persuasion". I got tired of not having what I needed with things got difficult and went to Lowe's one Sunday. $120 later I have pounders for any situation.

Like wise a good selection of punches, both long and short. Chisels are handy as well.

Quality drill bits are a must.

Dont forget to get a nut splitter. These can save time and parts by destroying a badly rusted nut and allowing you to save a part.

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Chas in Tn.

08-20-2003 22:55:30




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 Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to Jerry B, 08-20-2003 06:16:08  
Just bought a set of "Bolt Off" from Sears. Stripped bolt and nut removers. Hey! these fellows a worth their money. $49.00 for a set.



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jim

08-20-2003 05:48:46




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
Two little tools that I find are great to have handy are the small "Vice Grip" pliers, both regular and needle nose. For years, I carried the small regular ones in my pocket. Just make sure they have the wire-cutter feature.



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markct

08-20-2003 05:02:51




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
well i will say this, i love craftsman tools, nearly all my mechanics tools are craftsman, but i have a set of there dies and they are junk, not ground well, they chip easily, the only good thing is like ya said they are hex so they work good for chasing threads where there hard to get at. i dont own any hanson stuff, so i dont know how they are, but i wouldnt buy any craftsman dies ever again. o and by the way, if ya read the fine print they ARE NOT WARRANTIED. they are considered a cutting tool so they arnt warantied like other craftsman tools are

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Nebraska Cowman

08-20-2003 03:46:48




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 Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 03:29:59  
please email me. I bought a lot of tools when I started out 30 years ago. some I never use others have been worn out and replaced. What kind of work will you be doing?



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EIL

08-20-2003 04:08:03




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 Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-20-2003 03:46:48  
I will probably be doing oilfield related work or maybe working on agricultural equipment.



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Nebraska Cowman

08-20-2003 04:18:36




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 Re: Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to EIL, 08-20-2003 04:08:03  
you will want a good set of combination wrenches. Punches, i use my 3/8 socket set a lot. i never have owned a 3/4 drive set; it would be nice sometimes. But then I have never owned a set of jumper cables either and at my age I am not going to buy them now. Like you say the little things will come along the way. you will buy wrenches and bend them to fit, favorite little special tools that don't get loaned. c wrenches for injector lines. and I can't work without an 8 inch cresant in my pocket.

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AV8OR

08-20-2003 07:09:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 08-20-2003 04:18:36  
Dear EIL,

I�ve been buying tools off and on since I was 16 years old pumping gas during the summers and I�m still buying!

Taps and dies are nice to have but if you don�t have the tools to disassemble it then you really don�t need the taps and dies to fix what you screwed up taking apart! Besides I use my �40 Piece Master Rethreading Set Part #52105 $49.99� three times as much as my Tap and Die set anyhow.

If your talking about doing oilfield and farm equipment you�ve got a long row to hoe before you fill your tool box. You�re talking big equipment and big (expensive) tools!

I agree with what everyone has suggested so far. You�ve already said, �Excluding sockets, wrenches, screwdrivers, and pliers� so here is some random thoughts in no particular order.

1. Multimeter
2. Bolt Cutter
3. Gear Pullers
4. Torque Wrench
5. Hack Saw
6. Drop Light
7. Tin Snips
8. Snap Ring Pliers
9. Easy Out or Drill Out set (I like Drill Out more)
10. Feeler gages
11. Micrometer or Caliper
12. Soldering Iron or Gun
13. Cordless drill
14. Allen Wrenches
15. Crow Foot Wrenches
16. Big tool box to hold it all
17. Start all over and do it again in metric!!!

Good luck and be ready for that big sucking sound of money coming out of your wallet!

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charlie

08-20-2003 15:29:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: a few other wauestions in reply to AV8OR, 08-20-2003 07:09:24  
16 or 18 inch channel lock pliers are a must.you'll be amazed at how handy they are.best oil filter wrench made.



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