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Moving up to air tools....advice invited

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Jim.UT

06-01-2000 08:33:33




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Now that I've had the tractor for a year or so, I've concluded I'll be happier if I can get a compressor and some air tools. Being totally ignorant of the options, etc, I come to you folks for advice. I was in Sam's Club the other day and they have a 5hp 27 gal portable unit for $230. It's a Coleman brand (a name I recognize at least) and seems OK, but what do I know? What specific features should I look for, keeping in mind that cost is a definite factor. Another thing, this unit says it is "oilless". What does that mean? Is it good or bad? Thanks for any response.

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Chris Custer

06-14-2000 19:57:49




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
Jim: I just went through your situation to include the budget. A few things I learned: My Dad found an old sears 220V 5HP 30 gal 150PSI at an auction for me. Cost was $175 and condition is excellent. It is the oil type with the belt between the motor and compressor. They are basically a lawn mower engine without the carb. They have piston/rings and crankshaft that slings oil for lubrication just like a small engine. In my opinion a lot of compressor when compared to the oiless type. But the oiless is good for sprayguns. 110 volt is better for portability. Some good used compressor deals are out there.

The vinyl hose is cheaper cost (usually 1/2 the price or twice the hose length than rubber) but in cold weather becomes very stiff. Not much problem in the deep south. I Recommend an impact wrench of ATLEAST 400 foot pounds of torque. Anything less and you will find it won't loosen the lug nuts on your car when you rotate tires. (my buddies F250 pickup has 32 lug nuts and he owns a cheap impact:( The ones in the starter kit aren't worth owning. Lowes sells a nice 400-500 FT LB Devillbis impact for $60 and a 60# air ratchet for around $49. Also ensure the impact is the same power forward AND reverse. Some of the cheaper ones aren't the same power in both directions. Devillbis is descent quality for the money. 25 - 30 gal tank is a good place to start. If you need more air later on just buy an extra airtank (as big as you need)and plug in your compressor. (using both tanks) Those 15 gal portable tanks are even handy for small air jobs that are far from electricity and double nicely as a way to double your air storage needs. Last thing. Compare if you can. WalMart sells CampbelHausfield. Looks not bad for the money. Watch Sears and other places. It might be made by CampbelHausfield and sold through Sears at a much higher price. Good Luck in your selection. Enjoy air power!

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Fred OH

06-06-2000 08:22:57




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
I have a neighbor that has one of the oilless compressors and likes it. But he's an occasional tinkerer and I didn't see the first air tool lying around. Had a cousin that had one and was a fair mechanic. Said they weren't worth bringing home. Didn't ask him why. My advice: Save your money and buy the bigger 5hp 60 gal C.H. model and keep the oil changed in it at regular intervals. The starter air tool kit with these are the cheap foreign manufactured air tools but, with a little light oil (about 10 to 15 drops everytime you use them and about once every hour, they'll get you by till you get rich). The water in the airline is hard on steel parts. Lube them before putting them up and they will last fairly well. Don't leave them lying around on the floor without anything attached to them to get dirt and concrete dust in the air inlet. A 50' Goodyear USA hose is around 20 to 25 bucks, good investment. 3/8" hose with fittings on ends that are less than 1/4"??? But it works ok for all smaller air tools. L8R----Fred

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Barry

06-04-2000 05:07:42




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
Jim All of the info posted is great. Harbor Freight in Orem is a good place to get your connectors and some of your seldom used tools and filters. Check out Pawn shops as a source of tools also sent you an E Mail message call me if you need to look at options I use 220 volt compressors and am just down the road from you. Thanks again for selling me the mower

Barry



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Gary(UT) Hey Barry...

06-11-2000 15:31:48




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 Re: Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Barry, 06-04-2000 05:07:42  
You need to join Tractor Town. The Utah list is pretty slim.



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Jim.UT....still shopping....more questions.

06-03-2000 21:50:39




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
This is all good stuff. Thanks. One of the reasons this unit is attractive to me (besides the reasonable cost) is that it is fairly compact and portable. At present I don't have a lot of space. Maybe a shop can be built in the future, but in the meantime I'm thinking this 27 gal unit might do the trick. The tank is a vertical design mounted on 2 wheels kind of like a hand truck. The store also has a "starter kit" of air tools made by Devilbiss, which I always thought was a good name, which includes a 3/8" drive ratchet, 1/2" drive impact wrench, a die grinder and an air chisel as well as the other assorted bits and pieces; but maybe I'd better pass on that and spend more $ on a better impact wrench. Now, what about hose? As I have looked around I see rubber, vinyl, pvc. I'd like to get something that will lay flat on the floor and not try to loop up in coils for me to trip over. Does that mean rubber and nothing else? Also what size? I see 3/8" and 1/4" available. Does the hose size depend on what tools will be used or does the size of the compressor come into play in the selection of hose diameter. Keep the good info coming. Thanks a bunch.

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Dave

06-04-2000 21:06:33




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 Re: Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT....still shopping....more questions., 06-03-2000 21:50:39  
Jim, stay with 3/8" for better volume. The coils of hose on the floor are always a battle. I use a swivel at the end of the hose but it does wear out and leak over time. This $5.00 piece makes the hose more manageable. I tried one of those yellow coil hoses but it restricts the air flow too much so I gave it away. I've been using rubber hoses for about 9 years now and it has taken a beating. I don't know how the others work but no complaints so far.

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steve

06-03-2000 15:28:09




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
listen to someone's oilless compressor before you buy one, they are nice for most things, but can be too loud in a small area.
oil type are quieter, but you will need a deoiler for painting.
i have a campbell hausfield 5hp oil type from walmart with a 30 gallon tank, will keep 90 lb for
impacts,etc. and will run a paint gun, but will not run a rotary sander for more than about a minute before it runs out of air

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Paul Vance

06-03-2000 13:55:54




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
Jim, 5hp is fine but you want to start with at least a 30 gal. tank. My personal opinion is that you should buy the biggest one that you can plug into a 110v outlet. That will keep you out of the industrial category. Sears has a good selection. Oilless compressors have teflon piston rings and will last a long time under normal conditions(not alot of dust). Spend every last penny you have on an impact wrench, these are tractors not hondas. Stay away from any brand thats not Ingersol-Rand(you can get these at sears also). If something doesn't come loose with an IR, notify the white house. Good luck. Paul Vance

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Bill D

06-02-2000 05:04:22




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
Figure out what size you think you need and then buy the next size larger Once you start using and get used to using air tools the demand for air goes up and up



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Dave

06-01-2000 15:16:48




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
All the replies are on the mark but everything depends on what you want to do. What will happen is you will like using air tools so much you will wish you spent more on a bigger compressor. The 5hp is OK but the 27 gal reserve will limit your use of tools. All air tools need 90lbs of pressure (except painting) and if you want a disc sander and or try a sand blaster, the unit will never shut off because the 90lbs will be gone in the 1st 2 minutes. Pace yourselve and invest slowly unless you are dead sure all you will do is use an impact wrench and the like. The disc sander is the most valuable tool.
Dave

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Tyler(WA)

06-01-2000 10:05:33




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 Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Jim.UT, 06-01-2000 08:33:33  
5hp is good. You'll need that much if you ever plan to paint with it or use a sand blaster.

"Oilless" means that the compressor does not use an oil bath to lubricate itself and you will not have unwanted oil vapor getting into your air. You may want an automatic oiler, that adds oil to the air, for your tools but can be removed for painting. You will want a water separator too.

My most useful air tools are my cheap air chisel, my pneumatic grease gun and my more expensive impact wrench. Since you will likely use your impact wrench most, spend more money and get something that will last and work well for you. Tools that get used less can be lesser quality, like some of those I buy at Harbor Freight.

If you use Calcium in your tractor tires, get an air pressure guage that's set up for calcium filled tires or you will throw away a tire guage every time you use it once.

AIR HOSE - Look at the hose you plan to buy. It should be real easy to work with. The cheaper ones are stiff and constantly get in your way when you're working. Rubber air lines are much easier to work around. Put quick disconnects on your compressor, each end of your hose and tools. There are a few different styles so make sure you get the same style for everything.

Good luck. You are about to ask yourself why you ever used hand tools in the past.

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chuck fischer

06-01-2000 11:00:41




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 Re: Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to Tyler(WA), 06-01-2000 10:05:33  
regular sockets don't last long on impact wrench service. look into some impact sockets and don't overlook impact wobble sockets they're very useful.



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john , Nebr.

06-25-2000 21:25:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Moving up to air tools....advice invited in reply to chuck fischer, 06-01-2000 11:00:41  
Impact tools, a half inch drive air impact needs a 3/8 inch hose for volume, 90psi is fine for sanding tools, but an impact needs 120-140psi to be effective. As an full-time mechanic and former farmer, could not work without a half-inch impact and a 3/8 drive air ratchet. Ingersoll-rand I feel is the best, pawnshops are good shopping places, stay away from no-name taiwan stuff, also used Snap-on as repairs are exorbiant. Any tool stamped with MacTools or Matco are pretty good, as well as Chicago Pneumatic. name brand impact sockets are a must, an exploding chrome socket is VERY DANGEROUS.

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