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Knobshine

09-08-1998 18:19:18




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OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine

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Murray

10-05-1998 06:13:27




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 Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Knobshine, 09-08-1998 18:19:18  
Check out the 45kW micro turbine generator.... yes turbine like in JET ENGINES. very cost effective and reliable, usually used as prime power



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Murray

10-05-1998 06:11:58




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 Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Knobshine, 09-08-1998 18:19:18  
If you intend to use the unit as a backup, 3600 rpm might work ok, but you will not get the longivity from the unit as most of these units utilize a gear box that can be trouble. I recommend an 1800 rpm machine, lots of em come with auto start.

And you failed to mention PowerPac generators.

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Po Folks

09-15-1998 19:45:48




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 Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Knobshine, 09-08-1998 18:19:18  
: OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine

I am on my third generator. Gave my old one to my daughter, bought what Harbor Freight said was electric start, it wasn't so I gave it to my son. All had B\S engines and no problems. But, i would never buy one without electric start. You never need them in pretty weather. Only when it is snowing, raining or worse. I'll not charge you for this info.;)

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Bob M

09-11-1998 07:58:49




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 Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Knobshine, 09-08-1998 18:19:18  
: OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine

Based on personal experience operating and repairing many small generators, I'd rank engines for longevity and reliability as follows:
1 - Honda
2 - B&S
3 - Tecumseh
(Cannot comment on Generac engines - haven't seen one yet.)

If you intend to use the generator strictly for emergency use (accumulating 10 or 20 hrs of run time a year) a Tecumseh or B&S powered unit will probably last a lifetime if properly cared for. Parts for these engines are readily available at any mower shop and are reasonably priced. However if the generator's gonna run more than that, I'd spend the extra and get the Honda-powered unit. Or consider an Onan-powered, 2-cyl 1,800 RPM RV-type generator. They'll run for thousands of hours, and are delightfully quiet. But they also cost about 4 times a comparably-rated 3,600 RPM unit.

For what it's worth, my personal emergency generator is a 4 KW unit with a Tecumseh motor. I've had it 8 years and it works great.

Bob

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Murray

10-05-1998 06:17:09




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 Re: Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Bob M, 09-11-1998 07:58:49  
Generac usually uses Industrial grade GM engines. Just like PowerPac..



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JerryU

09-09-1998 04:58:13




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 Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Knobshine, 09-08-1998 18:19:18  
: OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine
I think the Honda is probably the best (and most expensive) engine. You have to figure out if the generator is for occaisional backup or full duty. Mine has probably run 30 hours in the last year and a half which is not much on the life of an engine.

As far as Briggs, I have a mower with an 18HP twin that has been good, but I also have my brother in law's mower with the same engine that blew the valve seats out and piston rings. According to the lawn tractor board, valve seats are problems with Briggs- don't know. I know that most lawn tractors are going to Kohlers.

JerryU

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Steve Phillips

09-09-1998 09:19:01




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 Re: Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to JerryU, 09-09-1998 04:58:13  
: : OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine
: I think the Honda is probably the best (and most expensive) engine. You have to figure out if the generator is for occaisional backup or full duty. Mine has probably run 30 hours in the last year and a half which is not much on the life of an engine.

: As far as Briggs, I have a mower with an 18HP twin that has been good, but I also have my brother in law's mower with the same engine that blew the valve seats out and piston rings. According to the lawn tractor board, valve seats are problems with Briggs- don't know. I know that most lawn tractors are going to Kohlers.

: JerryU

What is the URL of the lawn tractor board?

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JerryU

09-09-1998 10:42:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Steve Phillips, 09-09-1998 09:19:01  

: What is the URL of the lawn tractor board?

Go to the top of the main page for this and on the left you will find "other forums" under the red line. Click on it and you will find a host of other pages including lawn tractors.

JerryU



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jake

09-08-1998 20:22:09




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 Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Knobshine, 09-08-1998 18:19:18  
: OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine

Ive worked on briggs and tecumsah. Briggs are the hardest workng engines ive ever seen. tecumsahs are built like crap. they use aluminum flywheeels that will crack when you try to take it apart.

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Ken

07-28-1999 04:14:03




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 Re: Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to jake, 09-08-1998 20:22:09  
: : OK - This is not intended to pick on anybody or start some bickering just to irritate somebody. A couple of days ago I asked for opinions on gas generators for backup power in an emergency. I got some real good comments and advice (see postings). But during my shopping around and studying various features of the different generators, I found basically four different gas engines powering the different generators, Briggs, Techumseh, Generac, and Honda. I'd really like some opinions on the gas engines. What's it like to pull start the different engines to get them started in the dead of winter? Or what's the opinion of how long any of them will last after they've been screaming at 3600 rpm for any length of time. Some good honest experiences or opinions whould be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all the past help and for any offered here. Knobshine

: Ive worked on briggs and tecumsah. Briggs are the hardest workng engines ive ever seen. tecumsahs are built like crap. they use aluminum flywheeels that will crack when you try to take it apart.

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KEN SMITH

07-28-1999 04:24:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Small engine comparisons? in reply to Ken, 07-28-1999 04:14:03  
To Jake, I'm a Central Distributor regional manager
for Tecumseh engines for most of the southeast. I
do not understand your comments re: Tecumseh using
"aluminum flywheels that will break". ALL sm. eng. mfrs. USE aluminum flywheels on their walk
behind mower engines UNLESS the application NEEDS
a heavy (or cast iron) flywheel. EVERY 3 to 18HP
horizontal shaft engine, EVERY 8 to 17 HP vertical
shaft engine we build HAS a cast iron flywheel. If
you experienced breakage removing the aluminum
flywheels, you HAD to be removing it IMPROPERLY or
NOT USING a correct tool to accomplish this. I
notice your comment is almost a year old....HOPE
you get my constructive message and HOPE I can
maybe assist you further OR answer ANY QUESTIONS
you might have. Today's Tecumseh engine is as
GOOD as anyone's and we have a WIDE VARIETY of
engine models to choose from.....THANKS FOR YOUR
COMMENT, ALTHOUGH BE IT NEGATIVE !! KEN

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