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brad williamson

07-12-2003 21:16:29




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Hello all
I just bought a 40amp plasma cutter and a 200amp ac/dc tig inverter and I'm almost broke. I want a decent capacity 10 to 15cfm@90psi compressor for my garage metal working studio, and I recently got to daydreaming... would I be foolish to attempt to trailer mount a small four cylinder Toyota diesel along with a couple of good sized welding tanks and all of the appropriate plumbing, valves, unloaders, etc, while running two cylinders for power and slaving two for air? I could eventually add a generator for aux shop power and even a pressure washer pump. Please say it may be so!
All the items mentioned are easily at hand.
thank you very much,
Brad Williamson

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Dan in Ore

07-16-2003 09:35:26




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
I really wonder if the remaining two cylinders would be enough to run the compressor. If you add the other items, it would be really doubtful if it would pull it. May be better to find a compressor pump to run off of the engine. Then when you add the other items it would probably do a good job. Just my $0.02 worth.

Dan



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MarkB

07-13-2003 18:53:21




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
I once saw plans to convert a Ford V-8 to an air compressor. As I recall, the head on one side was replaced with a steel plate with some sort of check valves. The unused side on the intake manifold was blocked off. My guess is that they used a Ford because the Ford manifold design made it relatively easy to do this.

This conversion was intended as a high volume compressor for sandblasting. It would be overkill for a shop compressor, not to mention loud and troublesome. Better to cough up the grand or so for a decent shop compressor; it'll last you a lifetime.

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Jake

07-13-2003 16:48:33




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
Real truth is...You're probably going to spend as much in doctor bills (and more in pain and suffering) than if you go down to Home Depot or Lowe's and get a decent, safe unit.



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Paul Janke

07-13-2003 15:51:38




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
I have seen factory built units out of Ford 289's or 302's. The ones I saw used one side of the intake manifold for the carburetor, the other for the air intake for the compressor. That makes the front and rear of one side and the center two of the other side for the compressor, the others for the engine. They had run the four unused spark plug wires (every other on the cap) to a bolt on the engine to ground them. This allowed the use of only one air cleaner for the compressor half, using light springs on the intake valves instead of on the exhaust as somebody else said. The exhaust valves can be disabled completely.

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rayinny

07-13-2003 13:10:31




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
the schram company used wisconsin V 4 engines as air compressors. They had spring type intake and exhaust valves with disc. Some were powered by electric motors.



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Much Work, Poor Performan

07-13-2003 12:46:09




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
Buy a compressor.



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bob

07-13-2003 08:30:14




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
Yes, but it takes a little work, anyway it did on the one I saw built from a chevy 350, with every other cylinder in the firing order modified as such:
1. Remove rocker arm from both intake and exhaust valves of the cylinders being used for compressor.
2. Replace valve springs on these exhaust valves with very light springs, making them essentially poppet valves for the intake of air, similar to the old hit/miss engines where the intake valve is sucked open by the vacuum created by the piston moving down in the cylinder.
3. This part I didn't see, as it was under the intake manifold, but the fellow said that he pinned some springs to the pushrods on these cylinders to hold the lifters in their bores, since there were no valve springs to perform this function. The lifters have to be kept in their bores to retain oil pressure in the engine, and if there are no springs to hold them against the cam they will be spit out of their bores resulting in no oil pressure and a short-lived project.
4. Get an old set of tube headers to fabricate the exhaust system. Remember that two exhaust ports on each side of the engine will still be exhaust, but two will now be intakes for the compressor cylinders. The rig I saw just had a little paper filter on each exhaust port that was now an intake. I believe he was using cylinders 1, 4, 6, and 7 as power, and 8, 3, 5, and 2 as compressor. On a small block Chevy, this is the two center cylinders on one bank and the two end cylinders on the other.
5. In the spark plug holes he had screwed some kind of homebuilt check valve which would let the air out but not in. Basically it looked like a couple of pipe fittings screwed together and brazed to an old spark plug base, and he said there was a ball bearing and a spring inside of each one. Each of these valves was plumbed to a pipe manifold feeding the storage tank.
6. He had also bolted a second flywheel to the first one, said it ran a lot smoother that way. He only ran it a couple of thousand RPM, as that was more than adequate to supply his air needs.
7. Plug the heat riser passage in the head that the two center cylinders are used as compressor, otherwise this will leave a passage through the intake manifold to the other head.
8. No complicated unloaders or anything, he just had some kind of pressure pop-off that would bleed the excess air when it got to about 125 PSI.

I don't remember any other details, but think I covered the main stuff. I can also say that the thing was damn loud with no mufflers, and four cylinders sucking air through the exhausts. Plus when the high pressure pop-off would release there was a pretty good blast of air adding to the racket. Also, the air being pumped out was pretty darn hot after the thing warmed up.

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Skinner

07-14-2003 03:48:08




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 Re: Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to bob, 07-13-2003 08:30:14  
A couple of comments, first, I would personally do something about the carb so there is not a fuel mixture going to those cylinders. Second, when replacing the valve springs, you really don't need to do both springs, either pick the intake or the exhaust. Me, I would leave a heavy spring on the intake so it doesn't suck in air or fuel, and put the light spring on the exhaust so that is it's intake port, OR visa versa, and simply plug the jets on the carb for that side (on a V-8 it would be easy) on a 4 cylinder I'm not sure. It's been awhile since I looked at one of the Factory I/R air compressors like that so I can't remember the intake configuration.

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bob

07-14-2003 09:01:51




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 Re: Re: Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to Skinner, 07-14-2003 03:48:08  
Yes, that's what this guy did, was left the heavy valve on the intake and put a light one on the exhaust. I think I mentioned that in the previous post.....



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Mike

07-13-2003 06:49:24




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
Check out the Volks-Air from Dunn-Right.
E-mail dunnright@juno.com
864-296-9316



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mj

07-23-2003 14:48:05




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 Re: Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to Mike, 07-13-2003 06:49:24  
Yeah....if 2 cylinders as the power on a VW can pull the other 2 as a compressor then the Toyota should be able to do the same....10-4? :-)



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John Humphrey Morocco IN.

07-12-2003 21:34:35




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 Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to brad williamson, 07-12-2003 21:16:29  
I don`t know about your deal, but many years ago there was a conversion for flathead Fords (4 cyl. engine and 4 cyl. compressor = V8) Forgot about that until last year when a farmer was using a 351 Ford (one bank as engine/other bank as compressor),,,so,,,it can be done



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Dusty

07-13-2003 03:50:35




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 Re: Re: automobile engine as shop compressor in reply to John Humphrey Morocco IN., 07-12-2003 21:34:35  
I've seen two engines hooked togeather, one behind the other. One engine was made into an air compressor the other drove it.

Dusty



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