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Ingersoll Rand compressors

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Matt Clark

07-01-2003 08:35:26




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I've got an "in" with a buddy who works for I-R. He can get me any compressor they offer for (I guess) cost. Prices look really enticing to say the least. I'd like to get a pretty good size shop unit (say, 60 gals, or so) but not sure which model to buy.

Any of you guys out there have any thoughts on this subject? I know I-R is a pretty good brand, but I'm just not at all familiar with their products, personally.

Suggestions???

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Cliff Neubauer

07-03-2003 15:06:58




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
We have had a 2 hp 80 gallon T-30 for four years now and it was two years old when we bought it. It gets used almost every day and all we've done to it is drain the water and change the oil. Ours is set to shut off at 145 psi right now but I am going to reset it for 175 psi. Air tools might be rated at 90 psi but if you ever run an impact wrench at 90 psi then at 145 you will never go back to 90 psi. Since you can get it at cost I would go with an 80 gallon tank in the T-30 series and not the cheaper "home owner" 60 gallon models.

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Jonesy

07-02-2003 05:44:28




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
Something to think about when looking at the IR. The compressor turns around 1500 rpms. resulting in more heat, more oil carry-over and less life. I had a IR T30 5 HP 175lb 60 gal 14.9 cfm compressor. It never was able to keep up with a sand blaster and lost a motor. I recently bought a Quincy QT-5 and there is no comparrison. The compressor only turns @ 940 rpms and recovers @ a greater rate PLUS !! is %100 made is USA.

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Keith G.

07-01-2003 15:59:42




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
The IR I purchased is a single stage SSL5. I will never own another 2 stage compressor. This one is quiet and cool running. 20 CFM w/60 Gal. tank. 2 stage hype is just that. I have 2 equal sized cylinders doing what basicly is 1 1/4 on a 2 stage. why do you need 175 psi for? all my tools run on 90 or less. my blast cabinate runs real good on 135, which is what my compressor max's out at. it runs 1/2 the rpm's as a 2 stage. a 2 stage just recompresses the air from the 1st cyl. to obtain psi you don't need.

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Keith G.

07-01-2003 15:58:56




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
The IR I purchased is a single stage SSL5. I will never own another 2 stage compressor. This one is quiet and cool running. 20 CFM w/60 Gal. tank. 2 stage hype is just that. I have 2 equal sized cylinders doing what basicly is 1 1/2 on a 2 stage. why do you need 175 psi for? all my tools run on 90 or less. my blast cabinate runs real good on 135, which is what my compressor max's out at. it runs 1/2 the rpm's as a 2 stage. a 2 stage just recompresses the air from the 1st cyl. to obtain psi you don't need.

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Philip

07-02-2003 05:14:10




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 Re: Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Keith G., 07-01-2003 15:58:56  
Kieth, I am glad you are very happy with yor single stage compressor. But, there are some advantages to two stage compression. Compressing air from atmosphere to 135 psig will heat the air to over 450 degF. Compressing to such a high temp is very inefficient. The 1st stage of a 2 stage compressor will compress air from atmosphere to 40 pisg, heating it to under 300 degF. The air is then cooled and compressed in the 2nd stage to pressures as high as 175 psig, heating the air to under 350 degF. This better effeciency is why the 1st stage of a 2 stage compressor has a smaller cubic inch displacement than 2 cylinders of an equal scfm 1 stage compressor. It is all about volumetric effeciency, the amount of air being re-expanded at TDC on the down stroke. The 1 stage compressor will have shorter valve life due to the higher temperatures they run. Why would someone want a 175 psig tank storage? It holds more air, more engergy, less compressor starts and stops per hour. Philip.

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Rod (NH)

07-02-2003 10:31:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Philip, 07-02-2003 05:14:10  
Hi Philip,

Nice explanation of compressor theory. I agree. I would add that the inherent higher temperature of the single stage units over the 2-stage ones is due to the compression ratio, as you suggest, and is independent of the rpm. This is in disagreement with other posters who indicate that the higher rpm units cause higher temperatures, simply by having a higher rpm. Furthermore, the single stage units would generally have a greater problem with moisture at the end use. This is due to the higher discharge temperature and need for greater cooling downstream to condense out the moisture (all other things being equal).

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Philip

07-02-2003 11:21:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Rod (NH), 07-02-2003 10:31:50  
Right on Rod. I was trying to simply explain without getting into formulas. Temperature is put into the air by compression. Not by rpm's. That is why you intercool between compression cycles on a 2 stage machine. Turning a compressor more rpm's only adds a small amount of heat due to the additional internal frictional losses. The company I work for builds air and natural gas compressors to 5000 psig. Link Philip.

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Philip

07-01-2003 14:06:40




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
Matt, I bought a used 'real' compressor 3 years ago. Saylor-Beal 60 gallon 2 stage 18 scfm 5 hp actual motor size. This is a good size for the home shop. I recently purchased a good sized blast cabiet, runs the compressor 80% duty. I think the smallest IR you would want is a 60 gallon 2 stage 15-18 scfm 5 actual motor hp. I am sure it will serve you well. Tell us what you get and how well you like it. Good luck. Philip.

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george md

07-01-2003 13:06:50




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
Matt,

There was a time when i thought IR was a great name in compressors , but that was before I looked inside several of them. They may have been a great comp at some time ,now their reputation greatly exceeds the quality . I have a quincy ,a curtis , and a champion that were carrying the load in the shop for many years,I added an IR 5 hp T30 to help carry the load,it lasted 6 years before the lower end came apart . The others are still there carrying the load .I recently bought another quincy to replace the IR .

george

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David - OR

07-01-2003 09:20:02




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
Ingersoll-Rand has a pretty good website illustrating their product features. See the pointer below.

You'll want a two stage compressor if you plan to do any serious painting, sandblasting, or use many air tools.

A compressor is a tank, a motor, a pump, and some miscellaneous fittings and controls. Ideally, you want a big, ASME rated tank, a heavy-duty motor, and a big, slow-turning pump.
Your budget may force compromises.

I have the 60 gallon 2340L5 model, bought from Home Depot when they had a 10% off sale. It has a heavy duty American-made 5 HP Baldor electric motor (instead of Emerson junk from China like many of the current offerings from the big-box stores) and IR's smallest cast-iron pump. It has served me quite well -- I've run it flat-out for 20 minute stretches (the motor never shuts off) while sandblasting with a worn nozzle requiring >15 cfm.

The biggest disadvantage of this model is that the pump is spun pretty fast to get the air volume, and is thus subject to higher wear and it is fairly loud. There is also more heating of the air -- a possible problem if you are working in the humid South. But hobby usage probably renders the wear issue moot, I deal with the noise by putting it in another part of the shop, and I don't live in the humid South.

The 2340N5 gets you an 80 gallon tank but the same motor and pump. A bigger tank is easier on the motor and can let you run bursts of "over capacity" usage like big impact wrenches. But it takes more space and is heavier, so it may be harder to install.

The 2475N5 steps this up to a bigger pump with the same motor. A little better specs on air delivery but probably considerably quieter and more durable.

The next step is the 2475N7.5. I think this is the same pump with a bigger motor. Lots more air. 25 CFM at 175 PSI.

You can't go any bigger than this unless you have 3-phase power.

While the true "compressor snob" might prefer Quincy or other brands, I don't think you could go wrong with any of the above models, especially at an attractive price. I'd probably step up to the 7.5 HP model if I had to do it again. But the one I have has done everything I've asked of it and will probably outlast me.

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Roger

07-01-2003 09:11:36




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 Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Matt Clark, 07-01-2003 08:35:26  
IRs are good. They have gone the small and fast route though. Avoid the aluminum ones. All you have given for spec's is a 60 gallon tank, so I'm not sure what you are looking to buy. The SS3 and SS5 pumps are decent. Heck, all the cast iron pumps are decent, they just have rebadged a lot of them for one horsepower range higher than what they were originally. I know one of the 5HP v-twin models was turning 1400 RPM on a unit we sold once. It was originally a 3HP pump, but they sped them up to do 5HP worth of work. If you go for an IR, put the T30 Select oil in it and go for the extended warranty.

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Mickey Duyck

04-14-2005 07:46:52




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 Re: Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Roger, 07-01-2003 09:11:36  
I have had two pump failures in 7 months with a new SS5 using the select compressor oil. The pumps are locking up after very little use and no outside contamination. My local IR office is trying to figure it out. One pain in the butt though is that on a unit as small as the SS5 is that they charge for a house call, $275 for half a day`s labor, otherwise you have to unhook it and lug it in.



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Phil Macomber

11-22-2005 06:14:43




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 Re: Re: Ingersoll Rand compressors in reply to Mickey Duyck, 04-14-2005 07:46:52  
I own an ss5. In less than 1 year of use IR had to replace the pump because it had overheated and siezed.I don't have much faith in the new pump because it smells hot after a short run time. IR says it is fine.I wondered if Mickey Duyck had any luck solving his problem as it sounds similar to mine.I think the design is bad and the pump doesn't get enough cooling



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