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moonlite

06-29-2003 17:20:31




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I have been called stingy for a long time. At one time it bothered me but I have learned to like it. I re-use envelopes by pasting Avery labels over the previous address, but perhaps the labels are more costly than envelopes. I also drain the remaining oil from plastic cans and pick up lost pieces of hardware on parking lots and streets. I am looking for tips of how to maintain this image. Please do not suggest using the back side of toilet paper. It is a savings but there is a bit of a downside. Please offer suggestions.

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george md

07-06-2003 22:23:17




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
moonlite,

Frugal is an admirable quality , but when

you impose your frugal on someone else , it is

known as being cheap.

george



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flyingvranch

07-06-2003 08:12:12




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I've been told (recently) that I am so tight, that if you pushed a lump of coal up my rear, that you would have a diamond in a week! :)



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wdTom

07-02-2003 17:40:34




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
If the U joint is good except for the wear/pitting on one side of the X simply change the way you put it back together so the force is on the good side when you are going forward. U joints in car and truck drive shafts wear on one side only. I have gotten a lot more life out of them this way if the needle bearings are still good. And grease is cheaper than parts.



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Bus Driver

07-02-2003 16:37:06




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I keep remembering stuff we did a long time ago. Remember the big "Life" magazines? We used them for boots in tires in the 50's. For those who do not remember, in those days a new set of tires would almost certainly have at least one tire with inner fabric failure before the tread was worn out. The boot kept the loose fabric threads from cutting the tube.



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Fred OH

07-02-2003 10:26:16




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
You don't have to use the back side of toilet paper...if you're in the know. Heres an old marine corps method to only use one square of it...tear off one square...tear off one corner of that...poke a hole in the middle of the square...stick your middle finger through the hole and wipe with the finger...then take the other hand and shuck the paper off the finger cleaning it as you go. Use the small piece you tore off the corner to clean your fingernail. Now go tell the wife that this is the new way to save money and see what she says. (and report to us) One other way when you get to thinking about it...toilet paper hasn't been around forever...what did they use before it came along? They simply used a can of water...and washed! All that said...I reckon someones gonna ask what do you do if you live in the desert...and water is scarce? I have no more answers on this...cause I don't want to be labeled as an authority on this subject...(insert smile here) If you're really thrifty...you'll already be a bicycle rider...and have goats in the yard. L8R....Fred OH

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Andy

07-01-2003 19:16:16




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
If you are in need of furnature and household items, cruise the local colleges right after spring finals. you'd be surprised what the out of state students leave on the curb before they move home. I got some pretty neat things there. one tip: when you're girlfriend asks you where you got it, tell her a garage sale.



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Kevin

07-01-2003 17:52:52




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Well, either sell yor computer and monitor, or if its on, learn to read by the light of it.



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Bus Driver

07-01-2003 13:26:30




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I know that my mother-in-law gets her power bill the same time as I get mine, so I ask her if she has mailed hers yet. If not, I just ask her to put mine in the same envelope.



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Mac

07-01-2003 08:33:03




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Guy I know gets stuff "cheap" at salvation army and sells it for profit on ebay.



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Nolan

07-01-2003 05:05:18




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Dry paper towels out after use, and use again.

Wash and re-use aluminum foil.

Wash and re-use plastic baggies.

Buy the rolls of paper towels that have those skinny sheets, you use a lot less.

Goodwill gives you a frequent buyers card with special discounts if you spend enough time there.

Dumpster diving is legal and a delightfull past time the whole family can enjoy.

Become friends with the guys at the local dump.

Adjust your color preferences to match the specially discounted "wrong color" cans of paint. If you need enough to paint a whole room, buy several and mix them all together.

Food that has gone bad often becomes edible after intense microwaving. It may not taste good though

Duct the drier in the winter into the basement. Saves on the heating bill. Use the special lint trap made for this and you don't even have a mess.

Bugs can be delicious, and filling too. But not worms.

Many foods are tasty when raw, saving on cooking fuel.

Hookers are usually cheaper then wives.

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IMPORTANT(Moron Alert)

07-01-2003 05:46:30




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Nolan, 07-01-2003 05:05:18  
"Duct the drier in the winter into the basement. Saves on the heating bill. Use the special lint trap made for this and you don't even have a mess."

DO NOT DO THIS WITH A GAS DRYER!!!!LOCAL IDIOT TRIED THIS A FEW YRS BACK AND ALMOST KILLED FAMILY.Most folks have some common sense but ya never know!



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Nolan

07-01-2003 10:41:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to IMPORTANT(Moron Alert), 07-01-2003 05:46:30  
Hysterics over a gas drier, but no one ever gives thought to the gas oven and gas range in the kitchen. The one that has no vent. At that, the gas drier is a much cleaner better burn then either the oven or range is...



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buickanddeere

07-01-2003 16:27:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Nolan, 07-01-2003 10:41:50  
Gas dryer makes more lbs of byproducts per hour than a stove top or a cycling oven burner.



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Nolan

07-02-2003 03:28:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to buickanddeere, 07-01-2003 16:27:08  
A gas drier has the burner operating in a forced air environment, steady state, with the burner rate optimized. CO monitoring of the exhaust will result in reading from 0 to about 20 ppm.

A range operates in a slightly starved air environment, with the flame in direct contact with the metal of the pot or pan, and the metal grate holding it. This results in incomplete combustion. A gas oven has the same problem, with the flame usually contacting the top of heat shielding. Again, incomplete combustion results. Additionally, both are capable of excessive gas, resulting in the yellow flame even when not in contact with a surface. Again, incomplete combustion.

Monitoring the emissions from a gas range and oven gives readings of several hundred to several thousand ppm of CO. FAR worse than a gas drier. This is why manufacturers of home CO monitors warn the buyer that such units must not be used in a kitchen. Placing one in a kitchen will result in the alarm going off.

Now Buckanddeer, care to back up your claim about the emissions of gas driers being worse than gas ranges with some documentation of some sort?...

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rhudson, o2 rich

07-05-2003 20:53:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Nolan, 07-02-2003 03:28:57  
i don't think so ...tops and oven burners run excess o2. blue flame is the result of too lean a mixture but with complete burn (low nox emissions). a gas fuel/o2 stometric mixture burns red/yellow and finaly blue in color. the blue flame is actually cooler, but safer. the comsumer has been sold on the blue flame is a hot flame thing. its not a hot flame, its a clean flame. i have no opinions on the dryer thing.

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thurlow

07-06-2003 12:01:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to rhudson, o2 rich, 07-05-2003 20:53:41  
rhudson; how about a further explanation of flame colors/temperatures in terms a semi-literate dirt farmer can understand. Have built numerous fish cookers of various designs for myself and friends (some of them from scratch, including burners, orfices, pots, etc.) Have always heard/understood that a blue flame was hottest. This is the way I've always used an oxygen/acetylene torch; of course, this is using pressurized oxygen, where the fish cookers use propane and whatever "air" it can suck in. Not really concerned with incomplete combustion, given that they're used outside or in an open shop..... ...

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rhud

07-07-2003 01:23:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Ma in reply to thurlow, 07-06-2003 12:01:53  
Lets eliminate the torch first, different fuel, has its own supply of pure oxygen as you pointed out and the flame in not in a controlled environment (more on that later).

In a gas burner (lp or natural) that uses air that is only about 21 percent oxygen, , 78 percent is nitrogen and about 1 percent is miscellaneous gases. Only oxygen contributes to combustion. The remainder does not
contribute, but does absorb heat as it passes through the burn area. Thus, excessive amounts of air (nitrogen) will carry away heat energy . On the other hand, insufficient combustion air in the air/fuel mixture results in the generation of carbon monoxide as a byproduct of the combustion process. (you can�t have that under any circumstance or people will die, even worse the company gets sued), little joke there. All open lp or natural flames used by consumers are going to have excessive air (that means cooling nitrogen also). You basically have no choice in the matter because you are stuck with a burning flame in an abundance of air. As opposed to a contained burner environment (like in a industrial boiler). In a controlled and contained burner environment you will have a high velocity, aggressive mixing of air and fuel (read that as a loud flame) and very hot temperatures (2800 F and above). I�m talking about melt your pots, make steel soft, ignite cooking oil temperatures, but very efficient combustion/heat transfer. It would be imposable for you to cook, manage the flame or the temperatures in a house hold environment. So the blue (excess air, therefore cooled) flame is safer, more gentile and cleanest available to the consumer. The presence of the blue/white and only blue/white color insures that all fuel available has been consumed. But definitely not the hottest. If you look at a boiler flame and its blue, its running cool because a lot of the heat value is going up the smoke stack. Boiler flames will be red and yellow with just a trace of blue before the flame ends in the combustion chamber. Let me be clear on this, a household gas burner of almost any type has to burn blue to be safe. If you see yellow in the flame of a low velocity burner, it�s a good chance that that part of the flame is making carbon which will coat your cooker/pans and also your red blood cells. Its too late into the night for me to judge if any of this is coherent. Hope I�ve covered it ok, without confusing anyone. Anyway I think T-bone may be the expert in this field.

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buickanddeere

07-02-2003 20:19:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Nolan, 07-02-2003 03:28:57  
I was figuring which burner used the most gas per hour and was expecting each was set at an optimum air/fuel mixture for clean combustion with a little extra O2 left over. Combustion should be complete before gases impinge metal surfaces.



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T_Bone

07-06-2003 08:22:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to buickanddeere, 07-02-2003 20:19:18  
Well I was going to stay out of this discussion but all posts are correct to some exent.

Both types emit Co and needs make-up air or VENTING and "neither" appliance has a "100% burn rate" and will produce Co.

On new homes where designs promotes a air tight enviroment, it's very improtant to vent ALL carbon based fuel appliances as ther is no such thing as 100% burn on a carbon based fuel.

T_Bone

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money hungary

07-01-2003 10:21:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to IMPORTANT(Moron Alert), 07-01-2003 05:46:30  
I always change my own flat tires because I get and reuse the nails or screws that are found in the tire.



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KURT

07-01-2003 02:15:54




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I have never done this, because of the possible ramifications. But... go to the local poor house, welfare, and say "I am poor please help me feed my family", you should be able to get some cans of soup and maybe some bread.



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dave

06-30-2003 20:45:15




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
You dont sound too strange. I pick up stuff I might be able to use if I see it in the road or a parking lot. I dont go out on specific "hunting' trips though, just keep my eyes open. As far as reusing envelopes, that can be an enviromentaly good thing. Might cost more for the small label but you are saving landfill space as well as forest and air polution to make new ones. We do the same in our office with repair order folders. Just dont go over the edge.

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Bob

06-30-2003 19:43:49




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Several ideas involving toilet paper come to mind: First clean your glasses with it, then blow your nose on it then use it for its intended purpose, better yet, just eat soda crackers and use a whisk broom instead of TP. For saving gas I put smaller tires on the front of my car, that way I'm going down hill almost all the time and can coast.



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Rauville

06-30-2003 18:16:21




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Find a used bookstore that has a copy of George Herter's 1968 book "HOW TO LIVE ON $40 A MONTH". It contains a wealth of information aimed at saving money on everyday needs.



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Mr. Bum

07-01-2003 03:50:25




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Rauville, 06-30-2003 18:16:21  
Will you buy the book and loan it to me? Please send enough money for the return postage if you want it back.



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allisguy

06-30-2003 16:41:39




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
When your barsoap gets real thin and just before it is ready to break up into useless little pieces you can graft it to your new bar of soap by getting both bars wet and then sticking the little skinny piece to the new bar and letting it sit overnight. By the next morning they have become one piece and none is wasted. Also you can take a number of these pieces from several different bathrooms and graft them all together for a rather substantial bar of soap. Continue to repeat this exercise and you will never waste any soap.

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souNdguy

07-01-2003 07:07:29




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to allisguy, 06-30-2003 16:41:39  
In those 'as seen on tv' comercials, there is a little doo-dad that you put soap chunks into and it makes essentially liquid soap out of them. ( I havn't used one...)

Soundguy



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david

06-30-2003 20:47:48




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to allisguy, 06-30-2003 16:41:39  
Go a little farther and cut off pieces of soap everywhere you visit and NEVER buy soap again! Go ahead no one will miss it!



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buck

06-30-2003 17:02:02




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to allisguy, 06-30-2003 16:41:39  

My mother had a little gismo thingy sorta like a butter mold that you molded soap bars in. She would save all the little pieces and mold them back into a bar.



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Bus Driver

06-30-2003 15:57:40




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Several months ago I posted here about a problem with Fast Orange pumice hand cleaner. When the gallon is about 2/3 empty, the stuff gets so thick that the pump no longer works. FO even sent me a new pump of a different design- it worked one time. Not wanting to waste the remaining cleaner, I decide to try adding a cheap (bought at the Dollar store) liquid diswashing detergent to the thick cleaner. Works great! All the pumps work again and the cleaner is as efective as ever. Add the detergent slowly and shake the cleaner container- takes only a little to really thin the cleaner.

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Kelvin

06-30-2003 17:51:18




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Bus Driver, 06-30-2003 15:57:40  
Unless my hands are really dirty, I just use Dawn dish detergent. Its already handy-right there by the Kitchen sink.

It also seems to work well getting latex paint out of brushes.



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Hayman

06-30-2003 13:24:44




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Yeah,my has bin brother in law used to take the pull tabs of the aluminum pop and beer cans before he cashed 'em in.Threw the tabs in a bucket and sold 'em by the pound.What's a pound of aluminum worth these days?About 2 bucks?



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Bill

06-30-2003 07:23:28




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
instead of going to restaurant to eat once in a while, take the family to a funeral or wedding in the area, you get to meet all kinds of people, if they think that your family they,ll even give you left over food to take home, if your single its a great way too pick up chicks,,,,



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Roughing it ,..BUT HAPPY!

06-30-2003 05:31:22




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Saved 1000"s...Patched the cracks in tennis court myself...bought used [2001] Chevy 2500-HD for trash/firewood hauler.new policy in shop....USE SNAP-ON tools at least 3 times befofe buying new ones!!!! I take the VOLVO to the dealer to get the tire air & water checked instead of getting a "house call" @ $215.. + mechanic's tip and lunch.The maids are having to press their own uniforms. The list goes on and on,I'll try topost more after our week in Spain,for the 4th of July holiday. Got to go butler says they are finished washing the LEAR jet.

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Bus Driver

06-30-2003 04:35:36




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Folks like us must be careful not to overdo the stingy bit. Never spend more than 99 cents in order to save a dollar. We lived 12 miles from town and for a couple of years had no car. So if we or someone nearby were junking something, we stripped all the bolts and screws from it to have on hand so that a trip to the hardware store would be unnecessary. I still do that. They say that I am so tight that I squeak when I walk. I told them that my wallet had been run flat so long that it is rim-cut.

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Dick2

06-30-2003 04:33:50




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I'm frugal myself. Made all of our wood furniture from glued-up panels of oak pieces I got from dumpsters at cabinet shops. I've always thought of myself as thrifty, but brother, now he's cheap!



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T_Bone

06-29-2003 23:34:00




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Hi moonlite,

If everything is paid for then food is your number one cost.

Try growing your own food and you'll get a eye opening!

T_Bone



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Dan in Ore

06-29-2003 22:18:24




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I heard about some guy that was so stingy he would buy two ply toilet tissue and had rigged up a tool that would separate the plys and make two rolls out of one.



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Davidj

06-30-2003 04:52:47




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Dan in Ore, 06-29-2003 22:18:24  
One ply??? Why'd he bother using it at all.



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skinflint

06-29-2003 21:11:21




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
well,i've been accused of being cheap too.:).have you tried flea-markets? lots of used name-brand tools there real cheap .you could buy your clothes at thrift stores,surplus outlets & yardsales .dumpster diving or landfill scavageing can be productive pastimes,but are illegal in some areas. cheap lawnmowers are available at yardsales or at small engine repair shops usually for cost of repairs to them. you can change your house lighting to fluorescents & save a bit. use old store fixtures picked up at demolition salvage yards. kill your TV(or sell it)& read books(mostly how-to & technical manuals)from used book stores. dig up all the grass in your yard & plant white clover instead(it stays short so you don't have to mow it very often). keep bees to make honey from the clover you planted. plant a garden & raise lots of what you eat. drive older cars so you don't have car payments & are able to repair them yourself. burn your credit cards & pay off any loans,interest is a savings killer. lots of ways to save a buck & they really add up.:).

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KX

06-29-2003 20:39:48




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
I am a packrat and stingy as you cannot believe.....but I acknowledge I have ADD, ADHD and OC behavior. I do not see a doctor or take any drugs for this. My IQ is 140 and I can maintain somehow although I present many antisocial traits. All this to say, get your head checked. You are nuttier than a fruitcake.....like me.



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buck

06-29-2003 21:05:58




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to KX, 06-29-2003 20:39:48  

Could you put a name to all them disorders and just how would a body know that they have them disorders unless they see a doctor.



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OldJohn

06-30-2003 06:00:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to buck, 06-29-2003 21:05:58  
That's easy, any of us can just ask our wives. When they get together they name them all and compare anyway!



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Ben in KY

06-30-2003 13:37:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to OldJohn, 06-30-2003 06:00:13  
how would the wives know, they have their own disorders :)



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OldJohn

07-03-2003 05:35:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Ben in KY, 06-30-2003 13:37:55  
Oh yeah, but they'll never admit it, and sure seem to love the "girl talk' about their men!



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Jim in N M

06-29-2003 19:36:43




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
You could save on soap if you turn your underware inside out and back to front ,that way you can ware them for four days !! And how about letting every in the house take a bath in the same water,starting with you than the wife,than the kids one at a time,look at all the water you will save,not counting the gas you;ll save heating all that water !! And how about coasting down all the hills,you won't use as much gas in the car !! Jim in N M

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Hayman

06-29-2003 19:33:42




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 Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to moonlite, 06-29-2003 17:20:31  
Stop breathing.



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John

07-04-2003 07:09:32




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 Re: Re: Frugal (Stingy) Man in reply to Hayman, 06-29-2003 19:33:42  
Paperclips, very handy, never buy them, just pick them up off the floor at work, amazing how many get dropped.

Junk days, once a year the city collects people's junk stuff for free, people set out their unwanted stuff and I go look for what's out there. I shoot for lawnmowers, and small engine stuff. If they are in good shape repair and re-sell them, if not they are used for parts.



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