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How to correctly use a tap die set.

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E-NumunMarkus

06-26-2003 10:26:19




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I'm new to the proper use of a Die & Tap set. I know most of the "basic" stuff, like chasing factory threads, but I'm not sure about how to properly use the top & bottom dies.

Hey, I'm a newbie here, so give me a break!! LOL

Is there anything available on-line that gives specific instructions on how to properly use a tap & die set? I want to learn this.

Any link info you can provdie would be great! Thanks!

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william lyle

09-15-2006 08:12:27




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to E-NumunMarkus, 06-26-2003 10:26:19  
I am a novice in using a tap and die set, and would like to know what all the numbers on the taps and dies mean, and how to match them up.

Thank you.



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Jim Omlie

12-05-2006 14:41:23




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to william lyle, 09-15-2006 08:12:27  
Don't have the slightest idea how to start with a tap and die set. No instructions came with the set so I'm out in left field.



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Paul in Mich

06-27-2003 19:04:23




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to E-NumunMarkus, 06-26-2003 10:26:19  
First, start with a good quality tap and die set. The cheapies are just that, and will cause you more grief than the money you thought you saved. Next, if you are going to tap a new hole, have and use a good drill. A dull or bad drill will get hot and can work harden the material making it extra hard to tap. On tough materials such as stainless steel, it isn't really cheating to drill the hole an extra couple of thousanths. Use lots of tapping fluid. I like the pastes as they cling to the tap and hole rather than run to the bottom. Most industrial supply houses carry these pastes, which will also work on dies, but dies work better with fluid as it releases the chips better. As one suggested, 1/4 turns then back off. This clears chips from the tap flutes and dies. For cutting taps, I prefer 2 fluted taps up to 3/8, then 4 flutes will work fine. Most dies are 4 sectioned, except some chasing dies. Dont try using a thread chasing die for new cuts. Also, make sure that you start taps and dies straight. I drilled a block with pilot holes to help keep taps started straight. Dies are a little harder, but some have starting leads which help. I gues I could go on and on, as there is a whole technology to be learned in thread making, but there is really one way to figure it all out and that is to do it. Just dont get in a hurry, and get greedy and try to cut too much at once, and use the lubricant generously.

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wdTom

06-27-2003 18:07:02




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to E-NumunMarkus, 06-26-2003 10:26:19  
For a cutting fluid I use a product called Molly Dee, it is now made by Castro. It is thick , green color. Stays on the tap and doesn't run down a hole the way some of the thinner ones do. It says it is made for tough to cut metals like stainless or titainum. Works good on steel and aluminum too. And as someone said, no cutting fluids for castiron.



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Fuzz

06-27-2003 11:39:53




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to E-NumunMarkus, 06-26-2003 10:26:19  
HS (high speed steel) taps and dies give the best performance.



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Jeff

06-27-2003 12:29:27




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 Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to Fuzz, 06-27-2003 11:39:53  
I would add US made HSS taps and dies...

Japanese is good as well.

Others, well you roll the dice...



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ted

06-26-2003 16:32:28




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to E-NumunMarkus, 06-26-2003 10:26:19  
For taps, use the CORRECT drill size before you tap. Same goes for dies, make sure the stock is the proper size. Generally, just turn in a 1/4 turn or so (Go by feel) then back off more than what you just cut. Go slow and dont force it to hard. Use cutting oil and sometimes lots of luck.



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Ben in KY

06-26-2003 12:39:49




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 Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to E-NumunMarkus, 06-26-2003 10:26:19  
I am not sure, but I think you have to break off at least 1 tap in a hole to be a qualified tapper :)
I am not sure of the proper way but i use cutting oil and go easy.



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Mike W

06-26-2003 18:15:00




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 Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to Ben in KY, 06-26-2003 12:39:49  
Be careful of tapping aluminum with small taps. They are the easiest to break, tend to sieze up. I often use my drill press under hand power to start a tap to make sure it is straight. Just cut enough to get the tap going and then finish it in the vise. The standard drill size is to get a certain percentage of thread engagement. You can go bigger without loosing a lot of strenght. Some metals are easier to tap then others.

For the dies, rounding the end of the stock makes it easier to get it started. Rigid dark cutting oil and Tap-magic work good. Bacon grease is supposed to be good, haven't tried that yet.

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Dave E.

06-27-2003 17:29:17




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 Re: Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to Mike W, 06-26-2003 18:15:00  
A very good cutting fluid for aluminum is kerosene. Because of it being flammable care must be if you are doing other jobs is your shop such as welding.



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Kelvin

06-26-2003 18:21:39




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 Re: Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap die set. in reply to Mike W, 06-26-2003 18:15:00  
My old machine shop instructor started us tapping with lard. Worked good. was cheap. Stunk like crazy-He must have used the same gallon bucket for years.

P.S. If I recall correctly, you don't use any cutting fluid on cast iron. Its sort of gritty and with oil the chips tend to clump up, so you tap dry so they'll fall away.



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ray

06-26-2003 21:21:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap die se in reply to Kelvin, 06-26-2003 18:21:39  
Old rule of thumb 1.5 * bolt diameter = thread engagement. Bottom tap is used to obtain the most amount of thread in a blind hole. You don't start off tapping with a bottoming tap. Whenever possible thru drill then tap through good way of cleaning chip out. Packing the chips in a blind hole is a good way of messing up the threads. Chase the chips out after tapping. Thread cutting fluid works well and is not a gimmick. Using a drill press or lathe to start the tap assures alignment and keeps things perpendicular/parallel. Fine threads steel coarse threads aluminum. Obvious reason is its easier to cut fine threads and steel is stronger. Machinery Handbook covers much of this.

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E-NumunMarkus

06-27-2003 21:17:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap di in reply to ray, 06-26-2003 21:21:24  
Wow, great advice! Thanks!



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E-NumunMarkus

06-27-2003 21:23:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How to correctly use a tap in reply to E-NumunMarkus , 06-27-2003 21:17:18  
I want to thank everyone for the great advice and tips! I'm learning a lot!!

I sort of figured out already the "true" benefit of using a drill press (where possible) in starting a tap, to setup a nice, straight tap.

And I'm also just "discovering" the difference in making a tap in different types of metal.

But I certainly appreciate the good advice offered here. It will be put to good use!!

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