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Robert

06-19-2003 13:27:05




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My barn floods every spring from the roof run-off and the saturated frozen ground. I want to put in drain tile under the eaves. I'll do it with the backhoe and perforated plastic tile. Can anyone give me any tips? I hear there is some kind of cloth to put around the pipe? I also hear I've been doing this wrong for years: that the holes in the pipe are supposed to go on the bottom, not on the top, when layed in the trench? Lastly, what kind of aggregate to us to backfill? I'd appreciate advice. Thanks

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David - OR

06-19-2003 17:27:06




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 Re: Drainage around barn in reply to Robert , 06-19-2003 13:27:05  
The hoies on drainpipe go down. The idea is that the water accumulates in the drain rock surrounding the pipe. The pipe admits water through the bottom holes and conducts it longitudinally down the trench. The holes go down in order to keep rocks and dirt from getting into the pipe.

For a normal curtain drain, you would embed the pipe in 1' of drain rock, then cover that with geotextile fabric or filter fabric, then backfill. Use "washed drain rock" or septic system rock (all graded to a uniform size -- unlike filling a hole or building a road you do NOT want the fines mixed in). The place where you buy the rock will know what you mean when you say "drain rock". In fact, you could design the whole works like it was a septic drain field working in revers.

But as F14 says, if the backfill freezes, the gravel and drainpipe below it will not help. The barn will still flood. Better to regrade around the barn. Gutters would help a lot, but perhaps you are avoiding them due to snow sliding off the roof.

One drain pipe option that might work would be to put the drain pipe below the frost line and backfill with gravel all the way to the surface. The resulting porous fill would not be able to accumulate enough water to freeze up and become impermeable. Kind of the same theory as the subbase below a floating slab, or the roadbase they put below the highway. You would have to keep plant matter from growing a soil layer on top of the gravel. This would be a lot of gravel and a tad expensive...

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F14

06-19-2003 15:28:31




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 Re: Drainage around barn in reply to Robert , 06-19-2003 13:27:05  
You're right about the pipe. Holes down, cuts down on dirt getting into the pipe.

The "French Drain" approach (dig trench, put a couple of inches of 3/4" stone in the bottom, lay pipe, fill trench with 3/4" stone) may or may not work. The problem is the trench filling with water and then freezing. Next time it rains/melts, the trench will still be frozen when the roof is dripping.

IMHO, a better option is to grade around the barn so the water runs away from the foundation, even it you have to "V" a shallow swale all the way around the barn. That way, it doesn't matter if it's frozen.

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