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Greg Carberry

06-18-2003 08:55:34




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Here is the pictures of my pump.

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Greg




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Roger

06-18-2003 18:17:53




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 Re: Roger compressor ID pictures in reply to Greg Carberry, 06-18-2003 08:55:34  
It looks to me like it might be an extremely old Kellogg. The bump on the rear of the crankcase looks like a relief for the oiler ring, the so called Ring-Flo lubrication system. It is a bit of an odd design, since I have never seen a 2 stage pump with the low pressure cylinder nearest the flywheel before. I am guessing here since I really cannot say for sure exactly what the pump is. It is the right color for a Kellogg or a Brunner. Brunner usually uses dippers on the rods for lubrication however. They did use the flare fittings for the interstage though, as did Kellogg. That's about as good a guess as I can muster. If you open the crankcase and you see a large micarta-like oiler ring, I would be more confident it was a Kellogg. Is there a tag on the end of the crankshaft cover?

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Greg Carberry

06-18-2003 18:58:48




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 Re: Re: Roger compressor ID pictures in reply to Roger, 06-18-2003 18:17:53  
The only tag on it is a brass tag riveted to the cylinder base. It says Patent 2,267,469. I can tell there was another tag next to it but its missing. Has number AC-3281 on the cylinder. Similar numbers are also on the crankcase. On the end plate is an orange decal that says Timken roller bearings. I'll crack it open here sometime and let you know what I find inside.



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Roger

06-19-2003 17:32:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Roger compressor ID pictures in reply to Greg Carberry, 06-18-2003 18:58:48  
Upon further investigation, and examining some old manuals at work, your pump seems to have an uncanny resemblance to an old Dresser 5000 series. It has the same flat cylinder head with protrusions and piping for each valve. It also has the rounded cylinder fins much like later Dresser models. It also has Timken bearings like these units used. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Wayne either, as both were made by the same company. For some reason, I am thinking this might have been an old air brake compressor for a bus or something, just a gut feeling. Waynes were sometimes used for this purpose. I feel less and less that it is a Brunner, as their crankshafts run almost exclusively in plain bronze bushings at either end of the crank. I'm also less convinced that it is a Kellogg. It is just too different looking from all the ones I've seen. Sorry to send you off on the wrong road.

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Greg Carberry

06-19-2003 20:19:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Roger compressor ID pictures in reply to Roger, 06-19-2003 17:32:23  
Thats interesting, what makes it one that would be used for air brakes? I got a look inside it and it has a steel disc mounted to the crank. Thats whats in the bump on the case. It has rods that float on two large round offset counterweigths. These look to be mounted to the crank with a large set screw and jam nut on each. Rods have no caps or bolts just slip over the crank. Thanks very much for your help!

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Roger

06-19-2003 20:52:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roger compressor ID pictures in reply to Greg Carberry, 06-19-2003 20:19:09  
Hmmm. The description of the crank and rods sounds exactly like the design of a Brunner. Rods with BIG big ends that slide over large eccentrics instead of journals. Some V-Four models had a smaller rod running off the large circular end of the other rod, with a pin like a wristpin right on the rod. Do these rods have a boss on the outside of the circle by any chance? If it is a Brunner, it would be a very different model from any other I have seen. Most are converted ammonia pumps. Maybe this one was an air compressor right from the start? Who knows. Maybe Dresser also built compressors with this type of crank? I haven't seen any though. This one has me baffled!

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