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Carol Martin

06-14-2003 17:53:19




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Have run across several people lately that have broken lift arms on Ford Tractors.. I believe these are made from Cast Steel. What is the best rod to use to weld these..

Carol




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Tim Dalrymple

06-18-2003 07:36:11




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 Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to Carol Martin, 06-14-2003 17:53:19  
Welds have to be properly prepared inorder to be strong. I routinely repair ag equipment that has suffered years of improper/slopply welds. I understand that the farmer is usually in a hurry and needs his equipment.

Cleaning is essential. Paint, grease, dirt, etc, all become part of a dirty weld and are classified as inclusions.

A double V bevel with a root face is the best prep for a lift arm repair. The root face should be about 1/8" wide. The bevels are 45 degree angles.

I am assuming that you are welding the lower lift arms which are not cast. (Cast iron requires a lot more prep and attention than steel, also different electrodes.) I like a 6010 best, but you need a DC machine to use these rods. 6011 is a similar rod, but can be used with AC machines. Use the 6010 or 6011 for the root pass and use a 7018 for your cover passes. Multi-pass welding is superior to single pass welding. Single pass welding does not allow for proper control of heat.

A good weld will be as strong as the base metal. Weld failure is usually due to poor welding technique.

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kyhayman

06-15-2003 20:35:51




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 Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to Carol Martin, 06-14-2003 17:53:19  
If its the lower arm the are (usually) really hard drop forged steel, 6011 as I mentioned below would be my choice. If it is the verticle fork, upper part it is cast iron. For that I would bite the bullet and use stainless steel (could use nickle but on something that important I like stainless).



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Fred OH

06-17-2003 12:12:02




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 Re: Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to kyhayman, 06-15-2003 20:35:51  
I would venture to say that there are no cast iron parts involved anywhere on the lift system...as cast iron has little tensile strength (pulling apart strength). If anything besides cast or forged steel...maleable iron...which is cast iron that has been heated in an oven for about a week and that will let it twist a little before breaking and probably helps tensile strength some. I had a yoke break on a Ford that I owned once...I laid a piece of flat iron beside it and welded it with an up weld with 7018 rod...all in one pass and didn't even chip the flux off cause the weeds were getting high. Welding with stainless or nickel rod here is a waste of your dollars...send them to me if you don't need them. L8R....Fred OH

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Ed

06-15-2003 16:46:14




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 Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to Carol Martin, 06-14-2003 17:53:19  
If it's a cast part 6011 is not the rod to use.

I'd go out and get those extra strong million dollar nickle rods. Bevel the sides and heat the part before welding.

Cast tends to set up a fracture line just where the weld ends. The 6011 will hold but another piece of cast will break off.



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T_Bone

06-15-2003 10:07:03




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 Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to Carol Martin, 06-14-2003 17:53:19  
Hi Carol,

Both rods works well but I do I like 7018 the best. Pay attention to fractures radaiting out from the orginal break area. On a clean break I would weld one pass then let cool then run another pass until filled. Besure and preclean the weld area 1" on either side of the weld and if oil or grease then burn off that with a torch before welding.

T_Bone



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John in MD

06-15-2003 16:42:18




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 Re: Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to T_Bone, 06-15-2003 10:07:03  
DITTO

Keep your weld cleen of all slag. The olny thing I do diffrent is use a root pass of 6010(5P)and then clean it very well



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russ

06-15-2003 09:33:04




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 Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to Carol Martin, 06-14-2003 17:53:19  
I have usualy had better luck with 7018 on cast steel, on top of a root pass of 6011



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kyhayman

06-14-2003 20:09:40




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 Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to Carol Martin, 06-14-2003 17:53:19  
Deep bevel on both sides, gap 1/8-3/32, tack top and bottom with 6011, butt weld both sides, clean. Fill with beads, increasing amps 10 each layer. Easiest way is to replace the arm. Used or aftermarket.



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Carol Martin

06-15-2003 14:30:40




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 Re: Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to kyhayman, 06-14-2003 20:09:40  
Replacement may well be the best--BUT---Have fun getting one of those buggers off They are really on there and there is just no way to get it set up in a press to really get pressure on it.. I had one broke in half and welded it with 6011 several years ago and it it holding fine...I could not get it off to replace it....

Carol



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mj

06-15-2003 08:58:48




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 Re: Re: Best welding rod.. in reply to kyhayman, 06-14-2003 20:09:40  
Ditto.



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