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Determining distance with transit

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Tom H

06-14-2003 02:50:42




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Just got a new transit. After reading instructions I understand all other concepts except how to determine distance using the upper and lower stadia lines with an architect's leveling rod.

Could someone help with this??

Thanks,
Tom




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Tom H

06-16-2003 09:18:02




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 Re: Determining distance with transit in reply to Tom H, 06-14-2003 02:50:42  
KEG/ludwig

Thanks alot!! You've really helped. Transit I bought is brand new Craftsman (Berger). Nice instrument. Just using it around my 6 acres to build walls, level ground etc. No way professional!!

After reading all the postings I checked it out and it is kind of simple, just read and subtract and do the math.

Thanks,
Tom



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KEG

06-14-2003 07:36:20




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 Re: Determining distance with transit in reply to Tom H, 06-14-2003 02:50:42  
Not sure if you got it right from your explanation, below. A proper transit should have the upper and lower cross-hairs spaced so that, at a distance of 100', you will read a difference of one foot. This is called stadia measurements.

So, you measure distance by subtracting the lower measurement from the upper measurement (in tenths or hundreths of a foot - don't use fractions) and then multiply by one hundred.

Also, don't forget two important items.

First, the rod MUST be parallel (and vertical) to the transit. So have the rodman slowly rock the rod back and forth. Take the the LOWER value reading for each crosshair. This is critical to accurate measurements.

Second, don't forget that taking meareurements up or down a hill does not give horizontal distance. It will give you actual distance. If you are truly doing survey work, i.e., putting it on paper to calculate horizontal distance, etc., you must calculate your vertical angle and convert to a horizontal distance.

I have included my e-mail address. Feel free to contact me for more info. Sometimes written descriptions aren't real easy to understand.

Good luck.

Kim

P.S. If you got one of the older transits, take care of it. When I went to buy one, thinking it would be cheaper than a newer theodolite, I found out the same thing many tractor owners have found. Older transits are now collector's items!

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Ludwig

06-16-2003 06:55:26




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 Re: Re: Determining distance with transit in reply to KEG, 06-14-2003 07:36:20  
You're right, oh the stuff you forget when you're away from it for a few years. Another must have if you're going to do this any amount is a good set of 2 way radios. Working with a transit the cheaper "talk about" radios will work, they're largely line of sight, hills will kill the signal, but a transit is largely line of sight too. Using and EDM is a different story, we used to take lots of shots where I'd just see a prisim pop up out of the trees.

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Ludwig

06-14-2003 05:32:21




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 Re: Determining distance with transit in reply to Tom H, 06-14-2003 02:50:42  
Theres 2 ways to determine distance,
1 is triangulation. Take shots from two different positions, using each position as a "Backsight" to set up the bottom leg of the triangle.
The other is optical distance. Shooting level, you sight the rod, note what number the bottom line is on, note the number the top line is on, the difference is the distance?
Pretty sure thats right, but its been a LONG time since I've done that. As I remember the tape is still considered more accurate.
The EDM sets were a BIG upgrade when they came out. Distance measuring, even at an angle almost instantly at the push of a button.

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Tom H

06-14-2003 06:12:49




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 Re: Re: Determining distance with transit in reply to Ludwig, 06-14-2003 05:32:21  
Ludwig:

Well I feel like a real DUHHHHH! You're right. Just count the 8ths between upper and lower and do a little math. Just didn't get that from the instruction manual. Did some experiments to confirm. THANKS!!!

Tom



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Ludwig

06-16-2003 06:57:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Determining distance with transit in reply to Tom H, 06-14-2003 06:12:49  
You know Tom, if you've got a little extra time a great way to learn all this is to work on a survey crew for a little while. They'll teach you everything you could possibly want to know and then some. You won't make a whole bunch of money, but you'll learn alot. BTW, survey rods are graduated in 10ths, always in 10ths.



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