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jody

06-08-2003 21:47:41




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I will soon be rebuilding my JD model 50 engine. I'm debating wether to invest in tools or just take the block, cylinder, crank, etc to a machinist and let him do all the measuring for me. I would think having someone do the measuring for me will be cheaper and will save me a lot of headache since I've never done this and don't plan to do it often. I'm more than capable of assembling the engine but don't have much faith in my measuring skills. Atleast if there is somthing that needs boring, etc. the machinist will catch it. Also, this will make ordering the parts much simpler and fool proof. Any thoughts on which way to go?

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John Garner

06-10-2003 12:22:29




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 Re: measuring tools in reply to jody, 06-08-2003 21:47:41  
jody --

Don't spend money on measuring tools yet.

Instead, spend some time and effort learning the fundamentals of machining -- if at all possible take a basic class at a trade school or junior college, otherwise ask around in your circles of friends and aquaintances (sp?) and see if you can find someone with the knowledge and tools to give you a few hands-on measurement lessons.

Here in my part of California, the first "Machine Technology" class at a junior college will meet twice a week for three hours a night. If you take only the first-semester class -- which takes about four months to complete -- you'll almost certainly learn the fundamentals of precision measurement, operating a drill press, an engine lathe, and maybe get into the milling machine.

I'll guarantee you this: If you have a flair for machine work, you'll look at the whole world from a different perspective after completing that one class.

Then you'll be able to answer your own question!

John

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Mike

06-09-2003 19:43:38




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 Re: measuring tools in reply to jody, 06-08-2003 21:47:41  
Jody
My .02
Buy some precision measuring tools(look at a pawn shop) and learn to use them. Its not real hard just take a little practice.Not saying your machinist will be a schmuck but I like knowing that all the measurements are up to snuff(as grandpa used to say)and you can take pride in knowing what is inside your Big Green Machine.As for the investment it's just that an investment you will always have and be able to use. I never feel I have to justify a tool if it is something I know how to use. Like I said--my .02 Mike

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wdTom

06-09-2003 17:28:24




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 Re: measuring tools in reply to jody, 06-08-2003 21:47:41  
Having a dial caliper around is always handy. Get one with a covered rack, that is you can't see the rack. Chips and dirt get into an exposed rack very easily. You can pay anywhere from about $10 to 120. The imported ones for maybe 25 to 40 dollars are not a bad deal and generally pretty good, or you can pay top dollar and get a Starrett. And a dial indicator is a handy thing, get one with an inch of travel, magnetic base with fine adjustment. About the same price range as calipers, again the $50 set will be OK for most of the uses we would use them for. As for the engine project, let the machine shop give you a "kit". Or tell you what to get, under size bearings etc. If you buy a cylinder piston kit the clearances will be right for the piston-cylinder fit. You can check the bearings as you assemble the engine with plastigage which you can bet from the machine shop or auto parts store. Just put a piece of plastigage under the bearing cap and install the cap, remove the cap and compart the width of the crushed plastigage with the reference on the package and you will be checking your bearing clearances. Oh, and you will need a set of feeler gages to set your valves. Not so common but quiet nice is a set that comes in a plastic pouch, not in a "jacknife" like assembly. Is easier to deal with the one strip you select than a whole pack of them held together. You should be able to get all these tools for $100 or less depending on what you want for quality. Check Enco, MSC, Whollesale Tool, etc. They often have sales that can save $$$.

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David - OR

06-09-2003 07:40:06




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 Re: measuring tools in reply to jody, 06-08-2003 21:47:41  
You can buy a plastic dial caliper at Home Depot for something ridiculous like $9.00 It is worth having in the top of any toolbox. This will give you ID/OD measurements accurate to .01 inches.

Not enough precision for rebuilding, but handy for go/no-go tests and parts ordering. You can find out quickly whether your crank has already been reground, the pistons are over-sized, how thick that chunk of steel plate is at the back of the shop, etc. And if you lose the thing it's no big deal.

For a little more money, you can step up to a stainless steel dial caliper good for .001 inches accuracy.

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Al

06-09-2003 08:33:07




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 Re: Re: measuring tools in reply to David - OR, 06-09-2003 07:40:06  
Harbor Freight sells a 6" digital caliper for $19.99, a very handy measuring tool, but as others have said, let an experienced person do the precision measurements. If you have to bore the block, you should have the pistons first to take actual measurements of them and bore to specified clearance.

Good luck with your project!



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Ben in KY

06-09-2003 05:32:21




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 Re: measuring tools in reply to jody, 06-08-2003 21:47:41  
I agree for the engine rebuild let the machine shop handle that. However I have found bacis measurement tools handy for other things. For example a basic dial gauge with magnetic base is very handy for measuring end or side play on many things. And a set of dial calipers are quite handy too.



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F14

06-09-2003 02:54:03




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 Re: measuring tools in reply to jody, 06-08-2003 21:47:41  
If you've never done it, I'd for sure take it to the machinist. They do it every day. Getting good, accurate measurements takes practice. If you deterimine that a bore is out-of-round or a crank journal needs to be turned down, you're still gonna have to take it to the shop, and they're gonna measure it again anyway. You won't save anything, and you'll be out the expense of tools you'll likely never use again.

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Ray,IN

06-10-2003 20:54:58




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 Re: Re: measuring tools in reply to F14, 06-09-2003 02:54:03  
I'm with F14, by the time you buy the instruments and learn to use them properly the shop you use will be half done with your engine. Learning the use of measuring instruments is best done when you aren't relying upon the results for a good rebuild job. It's not hard to learn, just don't put yourself under pressure at the same time.



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