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David in SC

05-30-2003 18:09:07




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I have just bought a piece of land that has city water on one far corner. Do not know but I assume about 1.5" line and good pressure. The end of the line and in a fairly low area relative to the nearby supply tower. I need to know if I can come off that with a 1" line and go down across a pasture dropping about 20 total feet of elevation before coming to a creekbed. I assume get someone to bore under the creek and drag a pipe back through. Then go up the other side about 20 feet and across 1500 feet of pasture. Total run of about 2000 feet with a 20'drop and then a 20' rise. This will supply my house. If I start with 60 psi how much will I have at the end? I can run all straight pipe with no elbows. I assume schedule 40 would be adequate. Maybe schedule 80 under the creek. Laying the pipe 3-4 feet underground so I don't pull it up one day. Can it be done with good results? Or, should I fork out $5,000 and drill a well. I really do not want a well if I can help it. And, I think I can do the water line for under $2,500. What do you all think? Any advice appreciated.

Thanks much,
David

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Ray,IN

05-31-2003 20:25:29




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
This article will give you an idea of your situation.



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MarkB

05-31-2003 07:28:44




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
Without more information, it's hard to say what the best route is.

Will you just be watering your house, or do expect to water your yard and garden?

What's the quality of the city water, compared to well water in your area?

How much will the hookup charge be? What would your monthly bill be?

How reliable is the power in your area? (losing power is a nuisance, but losing power and water is serious aggravation)

As someone else said, you also need to know what the pressure is at the main; that will tell you if you can stand much pressure drop.

That all said, I don't think you will be happy running a one inch line over 2000 feet. I'll bet the water main is much bigger than inch and a half. 12 inch is pretty typical. I'd figure on running at least two inch pipe, unless the pressure at the main is really high (like 125 psi). (You don't need to have a 2 inch tap on the main, just get a one inch tap and connect it to two inch line on your side of the meter.)

Remember, pressure drop is proportional to pipe length and inversely proportional to pipe cross sectional area; 2000 feet of 2 inch pipe will have as much pressure drop as 500 feet of 1 inch pipe. 500 feet of 1 inch pipe is about the same as 125 feet of half-inch pipe, but you don't see many people running half-inch house mains, do you?

There's a lot to be said for having your own well: It will be cheaper in the long run, particularly if you do much yard watering. On the other hand, a well is definitely much more aggravation than municipal water.

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VaTom

05-31-2003 05:08:45




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
Watch out David,

G Taylor is right about that pressure drop. I don't know how to calculate it but you need that done, unless he's already figured it in recommending that line. With poor advice from a company that does nothing else, I set up my system and got a 50 psi pressure drop over my 750' with 150' rise.

I got my pump mfg. (Grundfos) to calculate my pressure drop. The woman answering the phone there had no trouble and it only took a couple of minutes. My rise wasn't much of an issue but the resistance in the 1" line was. She calculated exactly what I measured, a 50 psi drop. Yours is worse.

It's a sinking feeling I got after hooking up a new system with professional advice and finding out it didn't work. Not one you want to experience. Good luck.

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John

05-31-2003 19:08:03




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 Re: Re: Need advice for water source in reply to VaTom, 05-31-2003 05:08:45  
As every good fire fighter knows, you lose 5 lbs of pressure for every 10 feet of rise. The friction loss in plastic pipe is not terrible but bigger is better.



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VaTom

06-01-2003 04:42:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Need advice for water source in reply to John, 05-31-2003 19:08:03  
Sorry John,

My drop was only 50 psi, from friction + head, which I measured. Not 75. I think I'll go with the Grundfos people who calculated it correctly.



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Paul Janke

05-31-2003 04:53:36




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
The bigger the pipe is that you run, the less pressure loss there will be. Larger pipe will also give you less water hammer because the velocity of the water in the pipe will be lower with the same flow rate. There are tables which can tell you how much pressure drop you will have with a given flow rate and pipe size. Going down and back up will not affect you in any way. It would only if you went up first and then only if the rise exceeded the pressure available at the inlet.

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G Taylor

05-30-2003 20:52:37




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
At zero flow the pressure will be 60psi. Resistance in the line will rapidly drop the pressure at that length. 2" dia line would be minimum dia with plastic pipe.



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buck

05-30-2003 19:13:56




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
First thing I would do is to find out exactly what size line and at what pressure is being supplied by the city. The city should also be able to tell you what size line you will need to obtain your desired pressure at your home.



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Gene Davis

05-30-2003 18:54:09




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 Re: Need advice for water source in reply to David in SC, 05-30-2003 18:09:07  
If the pressure drop is too great, why not put a booster pump and a well pressure tank on the end of the run in a pump house, or basement. The pump can be set to come on when the pressure drops below a certain p.s.i. and off when it goes above it. It would be wise to use a sch 80 pipe all the way, the cost difference shouldn't be that much, and be sure to use the primer between the cleaner and final glue to get the best possible joint ssinnce you will be most likely burying pipe deep to get it out of harms way.Also buy a good quality pipe and don't skimp on the glue or fittings, this is a pay now or pay later with much more aggrevation when digging up buried water lines. Gene Davis Tennille, Ga.

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