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Oxylance or slice rod technology

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Jim in N M

05-09-2003 16:58:44




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I hope T-Bone or Steve@US Alloys can shed some lite on what is and how does Oxylance or slice rod work,and what equipment is needed.I've got a couple of loader pins that need to be cut out! they are about 8 to 10in.long. Does it take a "Special" type of welder or what?? If anyone else wants to jump in go for it. thanks in advance. Jim in N M




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Bill

05-12-2003 09:23:12




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 Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Jim in N M , 05-09-2003 16:58:44  
Basically some are not much different than a standard torch. Used to use one that resembled a standard straight torch about 4 feet long. Main difference was it had a trigger that shut off the preheat once it was released. I do that with a standard torch occasionally on thick stuff as it speeds up the cut.



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Wayne

05-10-2003 18:50:32




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 Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Jim in N M , 05-09-2003 16:58:44  
Hey Jim, Thermal Arc makes a slice torch that is the best thing since hip pockets on a kangaroo. We got one a few years ago and love it. It has been used to cut everything from a piece of casting out of the way to allow us to make a repair to a crane without undecking it, to cutting a welded in and bent 4" diameter pin, by going down between the cylinder boss and the mount, on a car crusher so we could get the cylinder out, to piercing holes through 1 3/8 inch bolts that hold a crane base to the walking beams, to piercing pins to relieve them and make them easier to get out. It works by attaching an oxygen hose with about 70 psi to it. You can attach it to a welder to light it, as well as giving it a little more power, or you can strike it and light it off a battery. Either way you strike the arc and apply the oxygen, and it burns til you stop the oxygen. It will cut anything from concrete to glass, and once you learn to control it can do a pretty precise job. Like the other replys state you do need to wear full leathers and a welding helmet with a darker shade, but depending on qwhat you are doing, and how high you set the oxygen pressure as to really how bad it blows back. I have cut things that didn't blow out at all, and others that spit and pop and throw hot slag everywhere.
If you need an model number or anything, let me know and I'll get the info off ours when I get to the shop. Good luck, Wayne

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carhartted

05-10-2003 13:36:23




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 Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Jim in N M , 05-09-2003 16:58:44  
I have used a cutting rod similair to what you are describing. It was called a Lance. Oxygen was supplied to one end of a metal rod, we got the end of the rod going by welding on it with a wig welder.

When the rod starts to burn it is quite a show. Full leathers and welding helmet are a must.

I was lancing the pivot pins on a 994 Cat loader. The pins were over 18 inches.

Jonathan



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S.Ammer

05-10-2003 05:47:25




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 Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Jim in N M , 05-09-2003 16:58:44  
Jim I agree with the comments about the oxy lance and can maybe add a little, I am familar with an item that was sold 30 years ago for foundry use that was called a bore-rod or burning bar.It may be similar to what you mentioned. It looked like a 10 foot long peice of 3/8 inch pipe with a cable inserted inside it. In use several could be connected together to allow more length or longer burn time, 80 psi ox on one end and light the other end with a torch and man could you cut. Full leathers and at least a number 6 lense were needed. The common sales demo consisted of cutting the bottom out of a metal 5 gallon pail full of water from the inside..... something to see, at one time they were a restricted item because the could cut almost anything including vault steel. steve

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John A.

05-10-2003 05:24:16




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 Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Jim in N M , 05-09-2003 16:58:44  
Jim in NM, If those pins are seized up This could get into a bigger project than you think. A buddy of mine picked up a bucket truck. Started using it after some days one of the cylinders started leaking. He didn't have the place or tools to do this job properly. He called a hydrolics shop to do the work. Long story short -- The hydrolic shop did the work in short order , had to press out the pins reminents after cutting them out. Built and installed new pins after the leakes were stoped
My thought is a good hydrolic shop may save you alot of headaches. Just be careful cutting at the pin bosses on that loader. These guys have the right tools and use them all the time.
Good Luck,
John A.

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T_Bone

05-09-2003 18:18:32




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 Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Jim in N M , 05-09-2003 16:58:44  
Hi jim,

Hows the new hip joint doing?

A oxygen lance is a piece of pipe any diameter with a ball valve. You preheat with a cutting torch or welding machine then turn on the oxygen "SLOWLY", get that, very slow, and it begins to cut. You can rotate the pipe for a larger hole or leave it fixed.

The more oxygen pressure supplied the faster the cut but also the more molten metal is blown back towards the orperator, hence the slow recomendadtion. Full Leather is a must have.

Same therory that a cutting torch works upon.

Sorry never heard of slice rod technology. I'm hoping someone else will know.

T_Bone

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SHeiserman

05-09-2003 18:58:54




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 Re: Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to T_Bone, 05-09-2003 18:18:32  
Never heard of this. Is there some advantage to this over arc gouging or just using a torch?



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Dr Cy Kosis

05-09-2003 19:33:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to SHeiserman, 05-09-2003 18:58:54  
Its a technique used to pierce a starting hole through very thick material before using a large conventional oxy-acetylene torch.

You heat the pipe red hot and then the oxygen flow starts the carbon in the end of the steel pipe to burning.

The flame in a cutting torch isn't what cuts the steel. The flame merely preheats the metal and allows the jet of oxygen in the middle of the tip to ignite the carbon in the steel. Thats why a cutting torch only works on materials with high carbon content.

We used to pierce 4' and 5" plate on occassion and it makes for quite a fireworks show.

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SHeiserman

05-09-2003 20:48:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to Dr Cy Kosis, 05-09-2003 19:33:05  
I've never cut anything that thick. Arc gouged 3", but that's the thickest. If I can't start on the edge of something thick and work it in, I've drilled a pilot hole so the material has a place to go and that's worked. I'm guessing a lance would be better for a lot of lay-out work on flat stock.



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Deas Plant.

05-10-2003 16:13:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oxylance or slice rod technology in reply to SHeiserman, 05-09-2003 20:48:14  
Hi, Folks. I have only seen 'Thermic Lances' a couple of times but, as some earlier posters have said, they are SPECTACULAR, both in the show they put on and the work they will do.

As I understand it, their main use was in heavy demolition and scrap yard work, cutting up old machinery, etc.. Rust, paint, concrete, water and most of the other things that bother oxy cutting torches make just about zero difference to a thermic lance. Several of our Australian state railway authorities used them at one time or another for quick cutting of railway lines.

One alumimium smelter down here tried using a thermic lance to cut up bulk aluminium spillage from smelter pot burn-outs. It worked and it was SPECTACULAR, especially when they came to small pockets of slag that contained a little moisture. The moisture in the slag would explode, spraying molten aluminium for yards around. They gave that away as being not very user-friendly.

That was where I came in. I was also in there with a 42 ton Kato excavator with a set of demolition shears testing to see if the shears would cut this spillage. They did and it was decided that the shears were the most effective and user-friendly way of doing it. I was there for 5 months the first time and about 4 months the second time, around 6 months later. I did miss the fireworks displays of the thermic lance though.

Thermic lances are NOT designed for delicate cutting operations and are not at all fussy about whether they are cutting a pin, the bush or bearing around that pin or the frame in which pin and bush/bearing reside.

See the link below for further information.

There is also a small piece about thermic lances under 'Concrete Demolition' in the menu down the left side of this site:
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