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Jim

05-07-2003 22:49:49

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Howdy starting the big search fo a new to me P/U to replace my trusty rusty 86 diesel Comanchee.Looking for info on hopefully the best supercab fullsize truck.Thanks guys.

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05-11-2003 07:56:23

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

I own an old '73 Chevy C-20, 454, Turbo 400 trans, 4.11 gears, two wheel drive that has exactly 406,397 miles on it. This rig is a Camper Special model with heavy duty suspension and brakes. I use it to pull my cars and whatever else is on wheels that new trucks won't handle. My greatest thrill in life is to dust the doors on a new Powerstroke in the hills. Forget the Cummins. The old 454 won't carry water for them in hills. I had to rebuild the trans 20 years ago after breaking a cooler line and running the thing out of trans fluid. I spun a rod bearing trying to out pull a Cummins in the early 90's, but the truck had 350,000 on it then. And I drove it 150 miles home with #5 rod hammering like a jackhammer, and made it home. So I replaced the crank and #5 rod, rings and valve job, and it is still running with standard cylinders. It looks good, is paid for several times over and I like it. It gets 14 mpg, empty, loaded, fast or slow. Its only fault is that it eats air conditioning compressors like crazy, and has since new. I credit fanatically good maintenance and Shell Rotella oil for its long life. If it had weight-compensating brakes, rear discs, and ABS it would be the worlds's most perfect truck. I want to put a million miles on it and then send a picture of it to Dodge and Ford. It certainly takes more maintenance than a new truck to keep it running, but for the $650 a month that the wife's new Tahoe costs, I can do a lot of work on the old '73! My two cents. Regards.....P

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PA Steve

05-08-2003 19:19:11

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

I feel obligated to put in a word for the Dodge Ram with a Cummins turbo. I have a late '98 model with a manual tranny and it's done very well. I have to agree that the pre '94 Rams are a great buy if you're not concerned about style. The only problem you might have with a cummins is a fuel pump. I love IH and their derivatives, but the Powerstroke is prone to costly glow plug repair. If the glow plug system gives out in cold weather, you don't have any chance at starting. As long as it cranks, the cummins will start anytime. Good Hunting!

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Henny

05-08-2003 13:56:20

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

Buy a pre '94 Dodge Ram w/Cummins diesel and manual tranny.

The old "boxy" style will keep the price down yet the Cummins w/manual tranny will last forever.

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Steve

05-08-2003 12:19:25

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

I drove a '89 Ford F 150 until January. 287,000 trouble free miles. I replaced the transmission once but that was expected (lots of towing). I never had any other significant problems. I sold it because it was getting "tired", but it still runs today. I've owned a Chevy and two Dodges, but the Ford has been the best by far for me.

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ScottT

05-08-2003 10:24:51

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

I'm another satisfied Ford owner. I had well over 100,000 miles on my last one before some jerk crossed the centerline and totaled it out. 80,000 on my F250 powerstroke with little trouble. My dad's 88 F250 turned over 250,000 miles before he sold (it is still running now).

Scott

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Howard H.

05-08-2003 08:14:12

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

Hi,

I've got a 1994 F-250 Ford with over 180,000 miles on it. A lot of those have been heavy miles pulling a 24 foot triple axle trailer with old tractors or whatever on it.

It still doesn't burn any oil. I've always gotten along good with Fords, but I DON"T like the hydraulic slave cylinder arrangement on the clutch... They will start leaking and go out fairly often - once a year or so.

Also, if you ever get one stuck, be very easy on it - rapping the engine up to high RPM's is a very easy way to blow the power steering pump.

But beyond those two weak points, I really like Fords.

Just my two cents,
Howard H.

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Bus Driver

05-08-2003 06:01:49

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Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim, 05-07-2003 22:49:49

That question is really the way to get something started! I think that the worst of the present crop of pickups is really better than the best of a few years ago- so a really bad one is hard to find. Consider the features that are most important to you and look for the brand that offers those. I just replaced my 1977 GMC "beater" with a 1998 Chev- both 2 wd. I often use the tailgate as a workbench when away from the shop. The Chevy had the lowest tailgate height. My 4 wd pickup is a Ford. I have found that the Chevy yields the better fuel mileage even if the Chevy happens to be 4 wd. My bitter experience with a Chrysler product in 1994 turned me away from them for life. The true test is not the existence of a problem but how they deal with a problem. They failed the test.

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Jim in NS.

05-08-2003 06:35:57

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Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Bus Driver, 05-08-2003 06:01:49

Amen on the Chrysler products. We now have two Chrysler vehicles and they will be our last. The maintainance is high on them and the dealer does not stand behind them. One of the leading local independant garage operators tells me that chrysler products account for over 50% of his business.

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DonB

05-08-2003 07:22:47

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Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Jim in NS., 05-08-2003 06:35:57

On the other hand I have a '98 Dodge with almost 100K miles. I have only had a couple of minor problems and the dealer was quick to fix them. It is still going strong and looks to be doing so for years to come.

The best pickup was a '93 Nissan. In over 100K miles it never had any problems. Just about the only time the hood was up was to change the oil. Its only problem was that it was too small.

I was in Saipan a couple of weeks ago. There are almost no cars over 10 years old because the rust kills them. I saw a '92 Toyota car with rust so bad that the passenger door window was falling out. I saw a few Fords and Chevies with the Fords having the most rust by far. Several had frames rusted through. Again Nissan appeared to be the least affected.

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Ludwig

05-08-2003 12:01:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to DonB, 05-08-2003 07:22:47

I'm with you, my '96 Dakota has 130,000 fairly trouble free miles, had a waterpump, starter, and a battery. It needs a rear main seal but I think the guy who owned it before me wasn't real great about changing the oil I had to change it on short intervals when I first got the truck to clean it out some. The transfer case is going too, but thats wholely my fault, driving 100 miles in fourwheel drive on dry pavement without realizing it.
I figure this summer I'll do the rear main seal, and transfercase. It probably ought to have a cat as the last emissions test was a near thing, the cats pretty trashed after I dragged it over a rock a few years ago. I'll do a new stainless exhaust at the same time and put another 130k on it.

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Dr.Evil

05-08-2003 09:07:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to DonB, 05-08-2003 07:22:47

Hmmmmm My 7 year old F-250 4X4 pickup has 216,000 trouble-free miles. Just normal maintenance and a few other common problems the PSD diesel is known for. Waterpump, 2 glow plug relays, and a cam position sensor. Truck has only ever been back to the dealer ONCE for the CPS. Still has the factory clutch, brakes, even the fan belt! And the truck is on the road 365 days a year in Wisconsin.... where even Toyotas turn brown from rust! No rust on this old Ford yet after 7 winters. I hate to add to what ultimately will be a brand war....but an old co-worker had a full time job trying to keep His two Dodge Mini-vans both on the road. If it wasn't transmissions it was brakes, or electrical, or ??? Always something. I ran Him back to the dealer so many times after work the Service Mgr. knew ME by My first name! I think the durability of a vehicle has a LOT to do with the operator. I could drive this truck 50,000 more miles and not have to spend a Nickle on it. But I could sell it to someone and He'd have to spend $3000 on it in the next 2 months!

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T_Bone

05-08-2003 10:58:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Dr.Evil, 05-08-2003 09:07:41

I have a 76 Dodge Power Wagon club cab that I bought new. Had a hole 2yr/12k warranty if I remember correct. Of course about 12,100 the tranny blew all the seals. Took me about 30 minutes with the District Manager to talk him into paying for it.

I put on 225,ooo miles and was happy with it. Always burned 1qt/1000miles since new. A hole 10mpg and that was probably my bigest gripe. It sure didn't like the menthanol that Phoenix went too during the summer.

I looked at a new 2001 Ram 3500 and didn't like the way the 4wd front axle was attached to the frame. Looked like if you hit a bump hard enough it would fall off or bend the structs.

So I bought a 2K2 F350, PSD, DRW, 4wd, CC, lwb that so far I'm very impressed with. I never dreamed of getting 19.2mpg on a 8,000lb truck and 15.5mpg pulling 16,000 GCW :)

T_Bone

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Chester

05-08-2003 14:32:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to T_Bone, 05-08-2003 10:58:56

Have driven old dodges, PU and vans for the last 45 years. Used to be the best buy out there because nobody wanted them. The later ones with 318 / 727 transmissions are very reliable. Haven't had to do any major work to any in the last 25 years, other than transmissions. Other than that just regular maintenance. Have them all switched to propane ( dual fuel ) which helps. Presently have a 1979 Red Express and 1987 and 89 vans, all over 300K and 250K Km respectively. Have to agree on the previous high maintenance comments on those FRT W Dr Caravans..... ...that is a full time job keeping them going. Dumped the two I had and no more of those disasters will be in my yard.

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RB/CT

05-08-2003 15:19:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Chester, 05-08-2003 14:32:30

I was a die hard mopar fan in the 60's, with several muscle cars. My 1992 Plymouth Voyaguer, was the worst vehicle I owned. Just had the tranny replaced at 66k. The pinion bearings went, and flooded the tranny with metal. There were several other caravans in the lot looking for transmissions. The reason is that they put the Horizen tranny in the vehicle. This vehicle also had several recalls, and many oil leaks out of its 3.0 Mitisubishi engine. (can't blame Chrysler for that one). The brakes went totally at low mileage. Chrysler outsources and looks for the cheapest parts from several manufacturers when they build their vehicles. Best truck I had was my 87 Toyota. Never to the dealer in 118K, and then sold. However, my brother in law still has his 86 with 370k on it, only put rings and bearings in at 250k with no bore job. Hate to say it but will never own another Chrysler,(Daimler) product again. When they bought Chrysler, the CEO of Daimler, wanted to know quote "why did you buy that scrap heap." Currently own a F-150, 66k no problems.

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MD SKY

05-08-2003 15:44:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to RB/CT, 05-08-2003 15:19:50

I have a 1995 F350 Ford,with a 5.8L v-8 and a E4OD auto trans. It has 250,000 miles.I,ve replaced the alt and 2 universal joints.The trans has been overhauled twice.Overall it's been a peach.

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Vern-MI

05-08-2003 16:20:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to MD SKY, 05-08-2003 15:44:21

That was a good year for the E4OD transmissions. I think they had problems with a new mechanical diode in subsequent years and had to go back to the one-way clutch. The new one is refered to as the 4R100 and is a four speed, Rear wheel drive, 1000 Ft.Lb. box. I believe a 5R110W, which is a 5 speed, Rear wheel drive, 1100 Ft.Lb. model will soon be offered.

If you ever have trouble with imprecise shifting or failure to upshift look at the neutral start switch located on the side of the transmission at the manual lever. If they are shorted or open due to wear or corrosion they will send false signals to the ECM and create a poor shift condition. Good durable products.

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Mr. Opposite

05-08-2003 18:25:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Best used P/U? in reply to Vern-MI, 05-08-2003 16:20:17

Well, lets see, my Chrysler T&C has 150k of heavy duty use including towing a car from Fl to AZ. Currently 152k with water pump and tranny changed at 110k. Nothing else out of ordinary.
Coworkers Nissan pickup made it to 250k, took 3 carbs, 2 engines and 2 trannies to get there, was scrapped when he hit a pothole and the radiator supports broke for the second time due to rust out, wrecking the fan. Fan bearings went out three other times. Could see through truck lengthwise due to rot...
Brother in laws Chevy S10 had 284k when he sold it, so they last too. Looked pretty good when sold.
On another note, did anyone else read in yesterdays paper that the Chevy Malibu and Ford Tauras won their JD Power classes for least problems in first ninety days of ownership? Yep, beat the Honda Accord, And Toyota Camry for the first time in a long time! Go USA! Lol!

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