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john

04-16-2003 18:04:19




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have plans to buld small backhoe. Plans state that parts can be cut on a band saw. Will this work? If so, can I use a wood cutting band saw , put on a metal cutting blade and slow down the fpm speed? Can a cutting torch be accurate enough to cut the parts? Max thickness is 3/8 inch. Any and all suggestions appreciated.




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DumOleBob

04-18-2003 07:28:43




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
Sounds like you want to do it yourself, but why not take a little time & check with some professional outfits that can cut 'em with a CAD plasma torch or water jet. At least find out how much?

The reason I say this is I've been doing a bunch of tedious, dirty, dusty, shop wrecking work, and then found out a pro shop would have done it much better, neater, etc. for what I now consider to be a super bargin! Now I know why I'm "DumOleBob!!!

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Al m

04-18-2003 05:18:40




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
A thin cutting disc on a angle grinder can produce clean accurate cuts.I prefer the.045"sait wheels,work well on hollow structural steel,but you must hold straight and steady to make the wheel last.
Al



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Randy Reed

04-17-2003 18:28:23




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
If your cuts aren't too long, say 10" or less, I like those metal cutting chop saws. I just bought a Makita this winter for $170, and I really like it. Makes chopping off angle iron and bar stock a breeze.



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kjm

04-17-2003 17:53:50




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
John, I have had very good luck with a Saws-All with a metal cuting blade.



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Errin OH

04-17-2003 06:16:55




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
John, don't know about the band saw, but if you go the torch route like I did, you will be ahead of the game, by cutting out a template for curves and straight bar stock for lines. I used some old 1/4 aluminum. By letting the torch follow the edge keeps lines straight, and curves, curved, plus a lot less grinding to clean up the cuts.



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VaTom

04-17-2003 10:27:45




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 Re: Re: building cad backhoe in reply to Errin OH, 04-17-2003 06:16:55  
I often use a template for torch cutting and now that T_Bone has been generous enough to explain why I get slag, I'll do even better. Rebar templates work pretty well for curves.

Regarding the bandsaw, it'll work fine as long as you can get the speed right. Some 14" Rockwell bandsaws were designed for both wood and metal. Having both a decent metal bandsaw and a cutting torch, I always use the saw when I can. Blade quality will make a world of difference.

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Dusty

04-17-2003 05:01:37




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
How well do these backhoes work out, both as a building prodject and as a usefull tool?

Dusty



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BillWV

04-17-2003 07:39:10




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 Re: Re: building cad backhoe in reply to Dusty, 04-17-2003 05:01:37  
I built a CadPlans 708 3-point hitch backhoe in the winter of 2001. I use it on a New Holland TC29 compact tractor. While it should not be confused with a "real" backhoe, it is still a serious tool. I have moved some impressive rocks and taken out many stumps with it. I'll attach a link to my web page showing construction. I took the easy way out and got the metal kit from MetKit.

I believe that you could cut the metal parts with a torch OK, I was concerned about accurately cutting the holes that are required.
Bill

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Paul Janke

04-16-2003 19:45:05




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 Re: building cad backhoe in reply to john, 04-16-2003 18:04:19  
If you need to make the cuts with a torch, you may want to oversize the pieces just enough so you know they are not undersized, and use a hand grinder for the last trimming to get to the correct size.



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T_Bone

04-17-2003 09:21:13




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 Re: Re: building cad backhoe in reply to Paul Janke, 04-16-2003 19:45:05  
Hi Paul & John,

A trick I use for accurate free hand cutting is using a sanding disc to knock off the heavy scale and then use a scratch awl for my lines. The line is very thin so it makes following lines very easy.

Another is to stop cutting when you feel your hands or torch get out of balance. When that happens, stop and reposition the torch then continue cutting.

The cleanest cut comes from a clean tip. After you clean all the orifice bores in the tip, fire up the torch and set flame for cutting, then depress the cutting lever and observe the flame.

There should be a long very "uniform" inner flame cutting cone. If that inner cone is not "very" uniform then your cut will be ragged just like the flame cone is and the back of the metal will have slag. Reclean the center orifice until it's very uniform.

A cut with a clean tip will have a very smooth cut surface with very little (if any) slag on the backside of the cut. If either one of these is not present reclean the tip.

The center bore orifice can get deformed and the tip needs replaced or cut off. It's really important to hold the cleaning file straight in the bore hole and just removing enough material to clean the bore to make the tip last a long time.

I've never used a new tip that was clean enough for cutting right out of the box.

T_Bone

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Robert Smith

04-17-2003 14:06:28




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 Re: Re: Re: building cad backhoe in reply to T_Bone, 04-17-2003 09:21:13  
Expanding on what T-Bone said, be aware that cutting tips are numbered like triple 000 thru #6 and beyond, These numbers tell what thickness of metal the tip will cut, with the lower numbers cutting thinner steel than the higher numbers, There for you don't want to use a #6 tip (this size cuts 4" to 6" steel) on 1/8" plate because the heat from the tip will be to much and you will have a ragged cut edge and problems with molten metal flowing back into the cut you just made, proper tip selection is a big part of getting a clean cut! another tip is to tilt your tip at a little bit toward the direction that you are cutting this helps the oxygen keep the slag blown out of your cut giving you a cleaner cut and less slag to knock off the bottom of the cut afterwards, also proper setting of the gas mix is very important you need to have what is called a neutral flame! to get this turn your gas on (I always turn the oxygen on just a little also this cuts down on the soot from the gas as you light it) light your torch now watch the little cones at the end of your torch tip you will see as you add oxygen to the gas these cones will go from long kind of yellow/white in color to short and nice and blue in color, when you get these cone nice and short and uniform in both shape and color your torch is set properly!(this works for brazing tips also) And one more thing like was mentioned before make sure your in a comfortable position this goes for cutting and welding if your twisted contorted or out of balance your cuts and welds are going to show it! hope this helps some.
Bob smith

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