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Carol Martin

04-15-2003 05:23:43




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Hi: I have a large (30 x 50) Shop Barn and I have run two water lines from the house to the shop(150') I was going to hook one up to the house hot water heater and run thru freeze proof hydrants into the barn. The more I think about it, the less I think about it.. I was looking at instant hot water heaters but the price is rather high.. anyone have a simple solution? I do not need a lot of water but would be nice to have some available when needed. I am afraid if I use a regular HW heater it will freeze in the winter..

Carol

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MarkB

04-15-2003 17:18:27




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 Re: Hot Water heater in reply to Carol Martin, 04-15-2003 05:23:43  
Carol,

I don't think you would be happy running your hot water 150 ft from your house to the barn. It will take quite a while for the hot water to make it to the barn, and even when it does it probably won't be real hot.

On the other hand, I don't know how you can hook up a demand water heater in your barn. The whole point of using frostproof hydrants is that all of the water left in the hydrant drains back into the ground. So you can't have any plumbing attached to the hydrant.

Maybe you could put a demand heater in a pit, and run the supply line for one of the hydrants through the heater. I don't like this idea; chances are your heater would get flooded.

A better solution is to build an insulated room inside your building and put a water heater inside it. If you use a conventional water heater, the heater will keep the room warm. If you use a gas heater, you won't need to worry about the power going out. Even if you have to use electric, a small, well-insulated room will keep warm for a long time if there's 40 gallons of hot water inside. Run your plumbing underground to the heater room, and make sure that the pipe running up to the heater is well insulated; surround it with several inches of foam.

Since you've already got an extra water line, you might as well find a use for it. If you have a water softener, run soft water through one and hard water through the other. Or you can hook the two lines up in tandem so you get a little more pressure to the barn.

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Jerry B

04-15-2003 08:10:45




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 Re: Hot Water heater in reply to Carol Martin, 04-15-2003 05:23:43  
Not really a solution, just an observation: Why are they called "hot water heaters" when they actually heat cold water?

I guess they fall into the same catagory as parking on a driveway and driving on a parkway.



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T_Bone

04-15-2003 07:30:41




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 Re: Hot Water heater in reply to Carol Martin, 04-15-2003 05:23:43  
Hi Carol,

You can build a small solar HW pannel using a new auto/truck radaitor as a collector coil, cold water in bottom, hot out top. Put the sotrage tank slightly higher than the collector. Install check valve ( for directing flow), auto air vent, mixing valve, and No pumps, are required as this system will thermosphion from the collector to the tank.

For freeze protection:
1) Don't put a check valve in and the system will reverse flow at night. Depending on tank size and abiment temps determines if collector will freeze.

2) add a auto heater coil in the storage tank and use anti-freeze between the collector and the tank coil as a transfer medium. Although not as efficent as pure water will heat enough water to satisfiy your demand.

How much hot water? Of all the systems I designed and serviced this system was the most efficent and had the lowest cost. With a 4ftx8ft pannel using two 40" truck radaitors with 60* abiment, full sun, would heat 80gal of water from 65* to 180* in two hours. This system supplied all the HW for a family of four, showers, laundry, dish washer, etc;.

The only problem with NOT using a mixing valve in the system is it WILL burn a person severely at 180* if pure hotwater is used. A mixing valve lowers the HW temps to 120* or whatever temp you want with-in reason.

T_Bone

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04-17-2003 16:19:07




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 Re: Re: Hot Water heater in reply to T_Bone, 04-15-2003 07:30:41  
Hi All,

Another website asked me to expand my thoughts on my solar HW system. Here's a link to a drawing and my other ramblings.

T_Bone



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Jerry A.

04-15-2003 06:49:54




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 Re: Hot Water heater in reply to Carol Martin, 04-15-2003 05:23:43  
I've got a little German made electric on-demand unit that is attached to the wall. About the size of a shoe box. It does OK for hot water for washing my hands and washing the car. It's fine for my limited needs, but it's in a heated shop all winter. I'm not sure it would tolerate being in an unheated space though. Might be better to go with a super small tank style heater and insulate it very well.

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DaveK(IN)

04-15-2003 06:32:57




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 Re: Hot Water heater in reply to Carol Martin, 04-15-2003 05:23:43  
If all you want is occasional and moderate amounts of hot water the point of use heaters will work just fine. They may look expensive but compared to the cost of maintaining hot water 24/7 they are a bargin. Also, the small (7 gal. or so) heaters work fine and generally run on only a 120 volt 20 amp circuit.



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