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Farmer/Paul

04-10-2003 05:00:45




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Just wondering if many people here use them ? I also have a couple other questions:
1- which brand do you like best
2- should I get variable tint?
3- Solar powered, solar charging/batteries? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.




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Jeff

04-12-2003 10:11:09




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 Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Farmer/Paul, 04-10-2003 05:00:45  
The best are made by Jackson and Speedglass/Hornel.

I have a speedglass 9-13.

Also to note, the number of sensors is important.
Cheap hoods only have 1 sensor, and you have
a better chance of the sensor being blocked.

My Speedglass has 3.



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Wayne

04-10-2003 22:23:09




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 Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Farmer/Paul, 04-10-2003 05:00:45  
They are one of the best things to come about in years. However if your doing alot of small tacks, at close intervals, the constant dark-light-dark-light cycle can be really disorienting. Have to agree with the other posts too, a solar model with variable shade is the most reliable and versital.



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Bill 52 8n

04-10-2003 09:10:17




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 Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Farmer/Paul, 04-10-2003 05:00:45  
Best purchase i made so far. I bought one from a company in Florida called Kraze-Arc. Cost $200, totally solar powered, no batteries to go dead and is variable shade 7-14. They have a couple different models with different prices. Variable tint is real nice because your can turn it down to plasma cut and turn it up to weld and waaaay up to do high amperage stuff.

Bill

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Two Bit

04-10-2003 06:03:35




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 Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Farmer/Paul, 04-10-2003 05:00:45  
Best accessory I ever bought as far as welding goes. I have the adjustable tint (#9 to #?), solar cell charger. Bought at Harbor Freight about a year and a half ago. It still works fine and is holding up well for welding around the ranch. I usually use a 155 amp MIG welder.



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Central Minnesota

04-10-2003 05:28:22




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 Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Farmer/Paul, 04-10-2003 05:00:45  
I've tried a couple of different brands. I find that with my super-sensitive eyes that they don't get dark enough and I get a headache after a few hours of continuous use. I have to use a #11 filter for normal welding and a #13 for big TIG stuff. Most people with normal eye sensitivity like the auto darkening.



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Deas Plant.

04-11-2003 02:12:17




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 Re: Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Central Minnesota, 04-10-2003 05:28:22  
Hi, Folks. I have only used one auto-darkening helmet and could not tell you what brand or model it was. I used it for both MIG and arc welding on probably 10 to 12 different occasions. I found that I had arc flash symptoms after most of these occasions.

When I started asking myself why and being a bit more observant of what was going on, I noticed that each time I struck an arc or started the MIG, I saw a slight flash before the lens darkened. Other people using the same helmet had no problems. None of them said they could see any flash before the lens darkened.

I have gone back to using a shade 11 conventional helmet.

I have to admit though that pretty much everybody else I have spoken to about them reckons they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. May be it is just me.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Dave

04-11-2003 18:25:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Deas Plant., 04-11-2003 02:12:17  
And I thought it was just me.Everyone elso thought I was crazy.Dave



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Deas Plant.

04-11-2003 20:21:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Dave, 04-11-2003 18:25:39  
Hi, Dave. Well, that's a relief. I was starting to think I was the only one in the world with eyes "faster than the speed of light". The other guys at work who used that helmet could not understand what I was talking about but my eyes sure knew each night and the next morning.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.



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Central Minnesota

04-12-2003 04:27:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Deas Plant., 04-11-2003 20:21:55  
The welding suppliers told me I was crazy too.They said "everybody likes these helmets". One thing about the #13 or darker filter though, nobody else uses your helmet.(-: Thanks for the reassurance. Have a blessed Easter season guys. CM



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T_Bone

04-12-2003 05:17:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to Central Minnesota, 04-12-2003 04:27:16  
Hi All,
I thought I'd wait to post this after someone else pointed out the problems with auto-hoods. I've posted this info twice a year for the past several years. Hope it helps!


Weldinghoods

The most important part of a welding hood is the lens as it protects your eyes. Welding is very hard on your eyesight. I went from a minus 125 vision correction to minus 575 (coke bottles) in 20yrs of full time welding. I then backed off of full time welding(8hrs/day) to 8hrs/week for the next 10yrs then to couple welds a year for the next 10yrs and my vision in the past 10yrs has returned to minus 450. Not good but showing just how welding can effect your eyes.

There is a difference in a plastic lens and a all glass lens. A plastic lens will create a weld puddle distortion of two weld puddles with-in the lens area. One phoney weld puddle and the real weld puddle. This distortion can be seen best seen while Tig welding but is present under all types of welding. A all glass lens will stop the distortion. The best glass lens I found is called a Cool-Ray lens. The glass cool-ray lens has a layer of gold over the glass face. They cost about $60 eh but well worth it as your eyes will not be tired nor burned at the end of 8hrs of welding. Being there is a layer of gold on the outside of the lens, you want to use a fiber gasket, then a clear glass lens, then the glass cool-ray lens, then another clear glass lens on the inside.

There is a gold colored plastic lens, this is NOT the correct lens!

Plastic corrective eye glasses will also give the weld puddle distrotion.

How can you tell if your eyes have been burned or your feeling the effects of welding? At night just before you fall asleep with your eyes closed you will feel a very warm feeling in your eyes. This is welding burn also called flash burn. Your eyes are telling you to do someting different!

Welding shade number:
I found over the years that a number 10 cool-ray is good for stick and Mig welding and a number 12 is good for Tig welding.

The best welding hood I've found is the Huntsman 411P. It's made from a lite weight fiber thats easy on the neck and cool on your face after 8hrs of welding. Plastic or fiberglass hoods will heat soak while welding where as the fiber hood will not heat soak. This will cause you to become tired easy thus letting your eyes wonder and not consentrating on the weld puddle.

Autodarkening welding hoods:
I'm not a fan of the auto hoods. One, they use a plastic lens and you get weld puddle distortion. Two, there heavy and your neck will let you know it at the end of the day. Three and the big one, what comes first to make the autodarken feature work? The ARC strike! so your eyes will pick-up a small amount of arc flash before the lens darkens.

So how do you tell where to stike the arc? Place your electrode next to where you going to strike the arc then flip down your hood, then strike the arc. With experience you will quickly master striking the arc where you want it.

T_Bone

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Deas Plant.

04-14-2003 04:12:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Auto darkening helmets in reply to T_Bone, 04-12-2003 05:17:03  
Hi, T_Bone. Great stuff, Mate. Thank you.

I have never been a pro. welder. Almost all my welding has been repairs, re-building and modifications to earthmoving machinery and that was mostly in between wearing them out.

I usually use a shade 9 with sticks in daylight and prefer a shade 11 for MIG work or with sticks at night or in the workshop. Much of the little welding that I do these days is low-hydrogen stick work repairing broken 4-in-1 loader buckets - my boss has 10 of them - in all sorts of odd positions and often outdoors or in the field where MIGs don't like to play because of the wind, even if we could get 3-phase power to it.

I have put a post on the 'Where to put the axles' thread in the tractor forum about one of my earlier projects, building a mobile home trailer.

I have had a few flashes over the years. I have had the warm feeling but it also feels like some
mongrel has emptied a gravel pit into my eyes at night when I get one. There's not a lot of humour in it for the sufferer.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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