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Bob

04-03-2003 14:11:54




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I have a section of walkway, made up of brick pavers, that I have to drive over in order to get to the shop. Every couple of years I have to pull up this section of walkway and re-level the pavers to keep mama happy. It's time to do it again, and I'm thinking about putting a layer (4-5 inches) of concrete and rebar under the pavers in order to keep it permanently level. The question is, if I use sackcrete (80 lb bags of concrete mix), can I just dig out the area under the pavers, put the concrete mix and rebar in dry, put down the pavers, and let moisture from mother nature take over, or does the sackcrete actually have to be mixed with water and poured? Reason being, I don't have a mixer, and don't want to mix 15 bags of the stuff by hand.

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rayinny

04-04-2003 15:26:28




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 Re: Concrete question in reply to Bob, 04-03-2003 14:11:54  
Masons sand works well under my sidewalk pavers. Also a base of crushed stone might help.



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KEG

04-04-2003 12:52:02




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 Re: Concrete question in reply to Bob, 04-03-2003 14:11:54  
Bob,

I have have placed sakcrete dry and let ground moisture do its thing. Seems to work in areas where your not concerned about the exposed finish. I also used it as a foundation for posts supporting a shed. Put a simple 2x4 form around a 3' deep hole, poured in the mix dry, poured a little water over the top, let it set several days, and its been a good foundation for 6+ years so far.

In my opinion, I'll use a dry pour whenever I can to save the backache.

KEG

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rhudson

04-03-2003 18:33:44




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 Re: Concrete question in reply to Bob, 04-03-2003 14:11:54  
Hi Bob,
i guessing that the earth under the pavers is not compacted enough to withstand the load of the driveway. by driving over it you are compacting it but in a way you are not happy with. i don't think the concrete will stand up any better than the pavers without compacted subsoil. how about taking up the pavers, compacting the earth, putting down a layer of clean sand, wetting to compact the sand and replacing the pavers?

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jls

04-03-2003 19:46:27




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 Re: Re: Concrete question in reply to rhudson, 04-03-2003 18:33:44  
layed pavers in several garden centers, first one on sand like manuf said. kids on forklifts soon made paths. next one we had pavers run asphalt under everything when they did the parkinglot. not only did it stand up to forklifts but laying pavers was a breeze. concrete will probably be even better but go rent a morter mixer, don't tell the rental shop it's for concrete. $30 and a pint of gas will save you a lot of time laying on the floor trying to ease your back. Around here NE ohio dry sack mix is only 1/3 to 1/2 as strong as mixed ( estimate based on lots of destructive testing with sledges and jack hammers)

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Hayman

04-04-2003 08:15:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Concrete question in reply to jls, 04-03-2003 19:46:27  
A mortar mixer won't work 'cause the stones in concrete get caught under the paddles, jamming the machine.



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jls

04-04-2003 17:55:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete question in reply to Hayman, 04-04-2003 08:15:27  
yes it did just used a newer one with rubber scraping edges on the paddles- also don't dump the whole 80# in dry and think you can start the mixer, put in some water first and then about 50# or so. polishes up the mixer too!



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