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A Bear got my goat

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Steve B

03-31-2003 12:27:41




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It's been a long weekend. Sat. night I was working in the barn making some gates for a new corral I set up for my daughters new pet goat. I spent over 700. on fence and posts. Rented a post hole digger, and spent the last 2 weeks getting this thing set up. I was just about there. I had one side to fence in befor I was to set the goat free inside her new corral. I left the barn , "which is next to the corral" and went in for the night. No sooner did I get in the house that I heard her sqeeling. I grabbed a flashlight and went out. The bear hid in the dark. I went in to grab the gun, and he got her good. I scared him off. She broke some ribs and punctured her lung. I had to put her down. I'm gonna waite for that big boy and let him have it w/ som oo/buck. A local warden set a trap, but nothing yet. Any Ideas on how to keep the bears away from livestock??. I put up 48" RedBrand no Climb. I'm think a couple of electric strands.

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dave

03-31-2003 23:22:22




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 Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Steve B, 03-31-2003 12:27:41  
220 volt on that electric would work good,just keep everything else off it. Seriously, bear like that has gotta go and quick. Most wont bother stock,but those that do are dangerous. If need be hire a trapper/hunter to take it out or post a personal bounty on it. I have a similar problem except its with a cougar. Anyone want to hunt one,just contact me. PS keep serious caliber weapon handy at all times. Beware of head shots, the sloping front of their skull will keep most bullets from penetrating. Bear will go down and you think is dead,but only stunned.Be careful and let me know how things turn out.

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Don LC

04-01-2003 08:32:20




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 Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to dave, 03-31-2003 23:22:22  
I am a gun collector, I have several that will get the job done....Two hand guns --Taraus .454cal Raging Bull,8 3/8" barrel---45-70cal.10" barrel and 45-70 rifle.....best shot is in the top/rear of front sholder...heart and lungs are in that area...these big cal. will take the shoulder clear out or distroy the heart and lungs...don't go out and hit him just any place with a 30-30....you will just make him mad.....

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Ludwig

04-01-2003 14:27:40




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 Re: Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Don LC, 04-01-2003 08:32:20  
Yup, totally right. Thats why Reg carried the .44 instead of the 9mm which is more comfortable to carry.
For my part I'd use the Winchester .348 I shot the moose with. The moose went down like a ton of bricks.



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Ludwig

04-01-2003 06:32:03




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 Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to dave, 03-31-2003 23:22:22  
Too right. You shoot a bear, it goes down and you circle around and put a couple good heart/lung shots into it. Then wait an hour or so. If it doesn't move and inch its probably dead. Any movement gets a couple more heart/lung shots and another hour. You can't be too safe!



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evielboweviel

03-31-2003 18:05:44




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 Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Steve B, 03-31-2003 12:27:41  
12 gauge slug 30.06 hollow point
308 or bigger
take that bear out before he hurts a kid or your wife



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Ludwig

04-01-2003 06:30:16




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 Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to evielboweviel, 03-31-2003 18:05:44  
We've always had bears out on the farm. Just before he died, well a for few years before he died anyway Great Uncle would always carry his .44 Magnum whenever he walked on the farm. Figured if he got between a mama and her cubs he'd have to defend himself. I just make alot of noise whenever I'm out. Never see a bear unless I'm hunting.

Of course Uncle Reg did some dumb stuff too. Wanted a bear bait so he put it within sight of the camp. Pretty soon dang bears were hanging around all the time. Couldn't hardly walk for all the bear poop. Finally I wouldn't refill the bait because I wanted to use the camp, but didn't want bears trying to get in. Now our neighbors bait bears so its better on our side. We still get 'em passing through but not hanging out. Now if the moose didn't trample the edge of the pond so bad it'd be perfect.

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Scott Green

03-31-2003 18:01:40




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 Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Steve B, 03-31-2003 12:27:41  
I was just talking to a man who grew up and lived in alaska. He is quite the outdoors type person. Showed me many pictures of the different bear he had shot. He says , as a rule , grizzlys won't bother anyone. He went on to say , if a black bear shows up more than once in your door yard , it is looking to eat you. This man was serious when telling me this. That saying stuck in my mind , as I always thought it would be the other way around.

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VaTom

03-31-2003 19:14:48




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 Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Scott Green, 03-31-2003 18:01:40  
We happily live with black bears wandering around on this mountain including occasional tracks 30' from the house. Never been a problem as they're just curious but I'm careful to never feed them. A bear that has learned to eat from people is a real problem that has to be removed. Losing a pet is even worse.

The hunters who lease my rights are welcome to the deer and turkey but are told to leave the bear alone. Never been a problem and every year they see at least one. A year ago there was fresh scat in one area near my shop every day for a week. I have no idea why they (it?) was dumping there so regularly. Hope it wasn't personal.

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Scott Green

04-01-2003 04:01:17




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 Re: Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to VaTom, 03-31-2003 19:14:48  
VATom , We have bear passing through every year. DEC even watches some Dens near me. We never had any problems ourselves. That's why when this customer of mine told me this , it stuck in my mind. Other people in my area have had dogs killed , houses broken into , bird feeders and gardens raided , etc.. The man who told me this was a seasoned , avid hunter/outdoorsman. And has lots of experience with many of the north american big game. Looking around at his mounts , pictures , and listening to his stories , I can tell he wasn't just running off with the mouth. He told me his age. Seams like he said he was 71-72 years old. Lived in alaska all his life. Just had a new home put up , here in Nunda , NY. This is his retirment home. He says it's much warmer here in NY. That's another sentence that stuck in my mind. He was the first retired person I have ever herd say they moved to NY because it was warmer. Well , I can go on and on. Just wanted to give you a little more feed back. Have a good day.

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VaTom

04-01-2003 05:04:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Scott Green, 04-01-2003 04:01:17  
Hi Scott,

Thanks. I did get a different impression from your first post. Sounded a little like bear phobia that I've heard many times. If we had careless neighbors who (inadvertently) fed bear we'd have a problem too. Pet food left out is a prime attraction. Bear have great noses and don't mind doing a little extracting, like through a door. Given their several mile roaming territory, I'd pay close attention if one'd become a nusiance anywhere nearby.

Our family place in the Arizona Rockies backs up to a large national forest. We'd occasionally open the door to find one outside there too. Never a problem in the last 45 yrs. The local ranchers sometimes would have to find one that had learned cattle were an easy meal, but that was rare and usually involved a physical disability. But once the bad behavior was learned, has to be removed.

Good to hear that somebody thinks NY is warm! We got 5" of snow Sunday. This is far enough north for me.

Tom

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DumOLeBob

03-31-2003 13:19:23




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 Re: A Bear got my goat in reply to Steve B, 03-31-2003 12:27:41  
How heart breaking! I am so sorry!

Electric fence is getting more popular around the northern Rockies. It needs to be a special rig to get the wire under the hair to the bear's hide, but it can be done. Some say hang some bait on the wire to hit 'em on the nose.

Your bear having had a tate of it, & knowing where you live might just need to "go somewhere else....". Catch my drift!

Anyway, Margo Supplies up in Canada has a bunch of stuff & some very good info. Ck the link below.

Good luck!

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