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Copper soldering with oxy/ace torch

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Tim B

03-31-2003 12:02:11




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I have a fair amount of plumbing to do next weekend. I was thinking of hooking my Victor 100 up to the O2 and a 20 lb PROPANE bottle (I have the correct hose; T-type is it?) and using this with a brazing/welding tip to speed up the soldering (vs. a cheap soldering torch with MAP gas). Anyone ever try this? Any thoughts as to why it might not work too well?




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iceman

04-01-2003 13:23:53




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 Re: copper soldering with oxy/ace torch in reply to Tim B, 03-31-2003 12:02:11  
i've been soft soldering all my life.i use acetylene and air(your typical plunbers B tank)A number 3 tip, and a very small flame.If the solder boils,thats bad.The only time I would use ox is for hard soldering something big,like inch&1/8. If you use acid flux, don't flux all the joints,then go back and solder.the acid left to sit in the joint will comprimize the joint.I use paste....mike



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T_Bone

03-31-2003 15:37:30




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 Re: copper soldering with oxy/ace torch in reply to Tim B, 03-31-2003 12:02:11  
Hi Tim,

I've used LP, Mapp and Acet and they all work well on CU. Clean the fittings with a round wire brush and the pipe with 100grit emery paper. Heat one side well then slip over to the opposite side and give alittle heat there then return to side #1 heat and add solder at the joint while moving the flame back to the center of the fitting. This sucks the solder into the joint for a 100% fill and the joint is full when solder is dripping from the bottom side, then take a damp (almost dripping water) cotton rag and wipe the joint all around. This leaves a very nice finished joint and quickly chills the solder.

A lower heat is better than a higher heat flame as it makes solder control very easy. If for a domestic water supply you will want to use lead free solder (plumbing code), 95/5 about 400*. You might also need some acid, 4oz as it last along time, and a acid brush. Harris makes a good acid and solder products.

Joints do not have to be pre-tined.

Alot say you don't need to pre clean the pipe and fittings but I have found the solder runs alot easier if you do and have leak free joints when done with the solder flowing freely.

Have fun!

T_Bone

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Bus Driver

03-31-2003 18:08:16




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 Re: Re: copper soldering with oxy/ace torch in reply to T_Bone, 03-31-2003 15:37:30  
Now the flux also has to be approved for potable water.



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Ol Peddler

03-31-2003 13:41:05




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 Re: copper soldering with oxy/ace torch in reply to Tim B, 03-31-2003 12:02:11  
Yes, it will work but you will have to be carefull because you will have a lot of heat in a hurry. Practice on a couple of joints first to get the feel of it and you should do fine. You may have to use your set's larger brazing tips to braze with propane but that is normal.

Watch where you point that flame and do not set anything on fire.

Good Luck!



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