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Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds

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wapenn

03-30-2003 02:02:54

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The steering wheel seems to move slightly when going slow at roughly the same frequency as the tire rotation, but somewhere between 15 to 25 mph the wiggle effect disappears and it rolls perfectly with no further strangeness at all. It's not a vibration, but rather a slight movement or "wiggle".

I've rotated the tires front to back and there was absolutely no change in behavior. It's got about 90k miles now.

I don't think it's an alignment problem because it seems to handle perfectly at higher speeds or when cornering, but I won't completely rule out an alignment problem.

I'm thinking it might be something wierd with the power steering pump. It seems to get better when it warms up a little bit. It's the girlfriends car and I don't run it that often, but it's behavior has been consistent for the last two years since she got the car and it doesn't seem to have gotten worse.

The only other thing I can think of is something wierd in the transaxle.

Thanks in advance.
Wally

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Gary-Miss

04-02-2003 17:59:05

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

Stick to tires-Know what I'm talking about. Work on this stuff every day. When a belt is broken, it goes side to side when barely moving, then, usually clears up. Sometimes, it pulls to one side, NOT ALWAYS to the side with the bad belt. I have asked about this latter phenomenon. The only answer anyone can come up with is that it has air between the belt and the tread and that rotates easier.

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04-04-2003 21:09:47

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Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Gary-Miss, 04-02-2003 17:59:05

I would bet that it creates a camber style problem instead. One side of the tire causing a pull or push.

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Ludwig

03-31-2003 11:39:28

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

I've noticed exactly what you describe on a plethora of older front wheel drive cars.
I would totally discount the one that said brake rotors, you didn't say anything about feeling that in the pedal, and you'd feel it. If the rotors were bad enough that they wobbled the car at low speed imagine how it would be at highway speed!
I'd also discount tires, except if maybe those tires were the wrong size. When you swapped did you swap back to front? I can't imagine you'd have a broken belt front and rear. Seems like that'd be quite a coincidence.

I'd be tempted to call it a front wheel drive car thing. If you really feel nervous go to the dealership and ask about any TSB (technical service bullitins) for the car. Maybe something there would shed some light.

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wapenn

03-31-2003 17:19:24

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Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Ludwig, 03-31-2003 11:39:28

Yep, front to back.

I agree with the rest of your comments regarding brakes and speed. No indication of anything wrong with the brakes, and it handles and rides great on the highway.

As I recall, the wheel wiggles even at 5 mph. If it were a noticeable tire problem at 5 mph, I think at 55 it would shake me off the road.

It's still a puzzle to me. I'm not too concerned, but she wants to take it from eastern ND to California this summer and I don't want anything to happen to her. We're talking about getting an alignment check and balance just for grins. It can't hurt and it's relatively cheap compared to a mechanical goose chase.

The only other thing I can think of is that there may be a flat spot in the tires and this could be giving some feed back to the steering wheel for a moment or two until things get "rounded" out again. I've never noticed this on any other vehicle, ever.

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Ludwig

04-01-2003 06:36:45

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Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-31-2003 17:19:24

I blew a tire on my pickup once and the spare was, uhh, not entirely round you might say. Kinda bowed from being under the truck. I was on the highway and had to limp up the breakdown lane for a good 5 miles at about 10mph, then I got up to about 30mph for another 3-4 miles then I just kept gradually pouring the steam on. It took maybe another 2 hours before the shaking totally went away, but the first couple miles was a mess. The whole back of the truck would sway.

I've had a bent rim before, that usually shows up at one speed though. Mine was at 55mph. 54 was fine as was 56, but 55 was awful, it'd shake the wheel right out of your hands.

You might find something on the checkup, get somebody to look the front end over good too. Could be a CV joint with a little slip? I'd call it just a fwd thing though. Probably no big deal. Get her AAA with long tow and a cell phone.

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tractor rebuilder oklahoma

03-30-2003 18:52:48

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

Just 1 question. What kind of tractor is a camry? Never heard of them. Know there is some kind of new fangled car called a camry but have heard it is all plastic and has no life expectancy. Were camry tractors rare or what?

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wapenn

03-30-2003 20:13:35

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Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to tractor rebuilder oklahoma, 03-30-2003 18:52:48

No your right, a Camry is not a tractor and arguably, this might not be the correct forum for this type of question.... However, since this forum is about tools, I trust that if the correct tool for this job is a 5 lb post hammer, someone would tell me so.

I have a great deal of respect for the knowledge, sophistication, and honesty of the readers and posters on this forum. I have found that the folks on this board are the kind of guys who care about others and are generally the kind of guys who I'd be proud to call my friends and neighbors whether we agree about the color of our tractors or not.

You guys are great.

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Frank M.

03-31-2003 16:54:27

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Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 20:13:35

I thought a camry was what ya used ta take pitchers.

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Frank M again.

03-31-2003 17:02:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Frank M., 03-31-2003 16:54:27

Sorry I was so busy being a smart a$$ I forgot to give my diagnosis. I think it's the CV joints. Let us know what you find. Good luck.
Frank M.

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Ludwig

04-01-2003 06:38:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Frank M again., 03-31-2003 17:02:22

It just occured to me to think the same thing. Maybe at low speed one binds a little bit or something or just a little slop, and you don't notice it at high speed. Seems probable. Every car I've noticed this on before is an older high miles car.
I have a friend who's got a '93 Camry, I'll ask.

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Paul Janke

03-30-2003 16:36:34

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

Could it be that a front drive axle u-joint or knuckle is binding just a tiny bit?

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Farmer Gene (WI)

03-30-2003 14:12:32

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

The front brake rotors are warped, you'll notice it more at lower speeds,they need to be turned or put new ones on.

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rayinny

03-30-2003 13:37:54

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

Excessive play might cause this condition.

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DaveCA

03-30-2003 09:12:03

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

A good front end man/shop should be able to check the bearing adjustment, hubs for true and alignment, in that order for the same or very near the same price as an alignment alone.

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Ben E.

03-30-2003 05:17:32

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Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 02:02:54

Have your local tire shop check it out, sounds like a tire "seperation" or could be a bent wheel.

Good luck
Ben E.

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Gary-Miss

03-30-2003 07:08:31

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Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Ben E., 03-30-2003 05:17:32

No question- You have a broken radial tire belt

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wapenn

03-30-2003 08:38:44

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Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Gary-Miss, 03-30-2003 07:08:31

I should add... she had new tires put on when she got the car and it acted exactly the same then too.

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wapenn

03-30-2003 08:34:02

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Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to Gary-Miss, 03-30-2003 07:08:31

Thanks. Just I'll have it checked out.

It just seems strange to me that more than one tire would have the exact same problem and that the car would act exactly the same after I rotated the tires.

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Jerry A.

03-30-2003 17:25:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering wheel on '96 Camry wiggles at slow speeds in reply to wapenn, 03-30-2003 08:34:02

I had a similar problem a few years back with my old '88 Volvo. I swore it had to be in the tie rods or other articulating parts up front. It turns out all four of the Michelins I had on the car (with about 48,000 miles) had bad side walls. After a new set of tires, the car drove like a dream.

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