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Tractor hauler elect brake problems

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Wayne

02-24-2003 02:59:45




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Use a 1997 heavy duty car hauler to haul antque tractors to shows,etc. Eighteen foot,two 6,000 lb axle with four elec brakes. It has a stright bulldog hitch. I haul two 2/3 bottem narrow front tractors with it. Trying to figure out why the rear (LT and RT) axle brakes won't engage at the same time as the front brakes. I have a Draw-tite Activator II Electronic Trailer Brake Control 5500 which is suppose to handle up to 8 brakes. It has a digital readout. The front brakes will slide the wheels in gravel with about 2.5 readout but the rear won't cut in untill I dial in up to 5.0 to 6.0 with an empty trailer. Worse with a load on pavement. Changed the complete trailer harness,resurvaced the rear hub/drums, replaced the front drums because they were shot due to excessive heat. Don't know how long they have been stopping the trailer by themselves. I also replaced the magnet pucks. I have 75% brake linings left on the shoes and they are all the same. Still unable to get the brakes to operate at the same time. The trailer was ok when I got it. Had a professional look at it for 3-4 hours. He changed part of the wire harness and said he needed more time to trouble shoot it. Didn't charge me anything because he didn't fix anything. Looking for help. Thanks for any advice.
Wayne

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Dave

03-02-2003 07:14:30




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
First thing, be sure the trailer is leven when loaded and not nose high, the wheels with less load will lock first.
Second thing, be sure the shoes are adjusted to give the same drag when off the ground and spun by hand.
Third, be sure everything is lubricated so the shoes, magnet arms etc all move freely.
Fourth, are the inside faces of the brake drums on the rear axle badly pitted from rust? The brake works by dragging on the inside face based on the amount of voltage applied to the magnet, if the contact area is low then it will take more magnetic force to make them drag.
Fifth, read the resistance of each magnet, they should all be the same within 5% or so. (I assume you are sure the brakes are all wired in parallel not in series)

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Ray,IN

02-24-2003 18:47:33




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
This site has answers for electric brake troubleshooting.



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Don LC

02-24-2003 06:19:36




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
Check to see if the magnets are wore through and grounding out on the drum (no wires should be showing on the magnet surface).Make sure the magnets are free and alowed to move side to side..check and make sure the magnets are wearing even ,not thicker on one side...You might want to change ,put all new magnets on...If there is a RV dealer in your area,stop by and talk with the service man ....Ask if you could talk to their break man....RV's have the same break set up as your trailer..... .

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David - OR

02-24-2003 05:54:47




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
One caveat: My direct experience with trailer brakes is limited, the first suggestion is based more on what I've observed from looking at how they work than actual experience.

Electric trailer brakes rely more on self-energizing than hydraulic brakes. The magnets aren't all that strong, and most of the apply force comes from the shoes being wedged into the drums as the drums try to "carry" the shoes around. The magnets serve mostly to bring the shoes into initial contact with the drums.

So if the brakes apply unevenly, I'd try tweaking the shoe adjustments on the front and rear axles in order to balance things out. Set the rear clearance to the usual "one click less than the point where it first starts to drag". Then adjust the front shoes to a larger clearance -- perhaps two or three clicks back. This should cause the rear brakes to tend to come on sooner and apply harder than the front brakes. Keep tweaking until the balance between them is the way you want it.

One other possibile remedy for flaky electric trailer brakes is improving the ground return. Sometimes the return connection from the backplate to the axle to the frame through the spring is not so great. It might be worthwhile to weld a ground stud on each brake backplate, and bring a ground pigtail from the backplate to a good solid ground on the frame of the trailer. Also make sure the tow vehicle and trailer frame are well grounded to each other -- don't rely on the hitch ball.

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Truck

02-24-2003 05:47:01




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
By any chance is the trailer going down the road tail lower than the front? Perhaps the hitch setup doesn't have the load equalized on the axles and there's less traction on the one that skids??Or is there an equalizer setup that has lifted up a tail sagging truck and moved the downward force to the back of the trailer? I can't use my equalizers empty or I get the same braking results as you are. I also need to drop my hitch point on the truck so the trailer rides level...just haven't gotten around to it in the last year or two....;-)

Other thing I'd try is separate ground wire for each brake brought up front to the hitch area. Soldered and shrink wrapped connections, and a ground run from the truck also. Truck

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Paul Janke

02-24-2003 05:28:35




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
The first place I would look is for bad electrical grounds. This is just a wild guess.



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Art

02-24-2003 04:34:56




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 Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Wayne, 02-24-2003 02:59:45  
I have the same problem with my 24 foot flatbed. At one time I could lock up all 4 wheels on pavement, now I am lucky if one will slide in gravel. The brakes have been adjusted, the linings are good, tires are all inflated the same and the same size. This annoys me greatly!!



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MD SKY

02-24-2003 15:33:57




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 Re: Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Art, 02-24-2003 04:34:56  
I would make sure shoe hold down bolts are not too tight on the rear axle. Then I would move the magnet lever by hand on each brake to see if the effort is equal at each brake. If the front brakes were overheated, the springs will be softer and apply with more force. Just an idea.



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charlie

02-24-2003 15:33:23




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 Re: Re: Tractor hauler elect brake problems in reply to Art, 02-24-2003 04:34:56  
use a multi tester to see if your getting full voltage at the plug.good luck



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