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max

02-16-2003 06:27:23




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I have a 20,000btu Rinnai lpg heater. What should I use to pipe it from outside. Soft copper with flare fittings? What size? I notice there are two styles of flare nuts. One is called forged.
For a temporary setup, can I use the regulator from my gas grill?




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bob

02-17-2003 13:06:58




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 Re: lpg plumbing in reply to max, 02-16-2003 06:27:23  
use black pipe inside I have a question as to flare fittings . I think our city code says they are illegal but you can use compression fittings like sweg lock. also A plumber in a small town told my bil that you can,t use teflon on joints that is all we used for years at plant Bil had a big bill changing it I told him I would have gotten another wrench. aas far as reg grill one won,t put out enough Best to get from supplier

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Butcher

02-16-2003 09:30:22




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 Re: lpg plumbing in reply to max, 02-16-2003 06:27:23  
Were is this heater going to be? I would suggest not using copper through a wall. Black pipe is code here were I live. Size depends on how much gas the heater requires. Same goes for the regulater. One screw up with a temporary install could lead to perminent problems. Just my 2 cents. I like to be on the safe side.



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SHeiserman

02-16-2003 18:59:39




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 Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to Butcher, 02-16-2003 09:30:22  
You can use soft copper underground, avoid joints. Brass fittings work good with a good flare. Butcher is right about walls and copper. I like black pipe anywhere it's exposed, but you don't have to.1/2 I.D. pipe is plenty for that. In Iowa, you need a shutoff within 36" of appliance and that is a good idea. Test the new piping once you're done with soapy water. I think you can get the right regulator for it from your LP supplier. Good luck and make sure homeowner insurance is current ahaha.

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T_Bone

02-17-2003 12:48:53




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 Re: Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to SHeiserman, 02-16-2003 18:59:39  
Hi Max,

You need to see the local LPG supplier as they have regulations that have to be met before they will fill your tank. They'll give you a free copy. If there's no local building codes then your done but you do have to meet local codes as well if any.

NO code allows for burried CU pipe. Why? We just had a good expalnation two weeks ago. A appartment owner decided to install a "no parking " sign but failed to follow codes when installing his gas line. You got, it he drove the sign stake right thru the gas pipe. Theres no longer a 8-plex standing there as it burnt them down.

Code calls for machine wraped steel pipe with 300mil wraped joints, can be black or galvanized pipe. The reason for this all soil has nitric acid in it and it will eat thru the pipe in a few years. Pipe run has to be pressure tested at 10psi for 20 minutes without ANY pressure loss and the testing gauge has to read 0 to 20psi in 1psi incraments.

Too many codes to list here for a "internet install" but it's not that costly to meet gas codes rather than mickey mouse the piping in.

Remember Your dealing with your familys life and you better get it correct the first time as sometimes there's no second chance.

T_Bone

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Mark

02-19-2003 04:25:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to T_Bone, 02-17-2003 12:48:53  
Codes must vary by location, our LPG company installed soft copper underground to our house just 3 years ago.



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RayP(MI)

02-19-2003 05:01:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to Mark, 02-19-2003 04:25:24  
Same here - half inch copper underground clear to the house where they attached their regulator to existing galvanized pipe. Flared copper joints. At my request, they put a plastic sheath on the exposed sections to provide some protection against mowers and weed whippers. Broke my heart when Michcon broke the contract, and discontinued natural gas service.



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SHeiserman

02-17-2003 14:13:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to T_Bone, 02-17-2003 12:48:53  
Not arguing, when was CU forbidden? We use a newer type of material made by Parker or wardflex. It is a flexible lightweight conduit with a yellow plastic covering. As far as I know it is approved for gas and LP and for below ground installations. I know CU is banned for use on natural gas because of the odorant put in the gas. I have never heard of any problems above or below ground with LP, as far as code goes. I don't do much residential anymore. Commercial has been black pipe underground for as long as I have been around. I know LP supplier here ran copper underground to new house, that is why your comments got my attention.

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T_Bone

02-17-2003 20:47:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to SHeiserman, 02-17-2003 14:13:11  
Hi SHeiserman,

I never consider a comments arguring. For as long as I can remember soft CU can't be used underground gas but can be used for tank to main line or shut off to appliance at one time. Here now they require a approved UL rated flex and gas valve at the appliance. I know about 1990 or so they changed underground to include galvanized pipe as they changed the way the galvanize was applied to the pipe so it didn't flake off inside the pipe.

You got my interest on the CU install tho so I'll do some more checking. I'm not keeping up with all the code changes like I used too. I've never seen a supplier make that kind of mistake so it must be approved.

T_Bone

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SHeiserman

02-18-2003 07:06:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lpg plumbing in reply to T_Bone, 02-17-2003 20:47:47  
All this got me to thinking about it, and roughly 3 years ago a Mason City man died putting in fence posts. The LP followed the line back to the house. It was several days after he put in posts that his house was blown off it's foundation. Having done this several times, I know to check for gas,phone, buried electric-it's automatic. I forget others might not think of that. Something so simple. The last time I had a code update was 2 years ago, and you never know what changes.

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