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Campbell hausfeld air compresor question

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chris

02-09-2003 10:18:32




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Any idea how they can double the cfm out put on there compressor by going to a six horse 220 volt motor?? Like a five horse puts out 6.6/5.8 @40/90. But a six horse puts out 11.8/10.3@40/90. Same pump and same size tank.. Unless they are running it faster with the bigger motor?? any ideas??

And what are your opinions on the extreme duty compressors?? I am looking at the 5 horse 30 gallon 2 cylinder all cast iron one. Plan on using it mainly for air tools.. Your thoughts??

Thanks a bunch..

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John Garner

02-10-2003 12:04:30




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 Re: campbell hausfeld air compresor question in reply to chris, 02-09-2003 10:18:32  
Chris --

A point about C-H: They have (IIRC) three "families" of equipment. Their lower-grade haa a one-year guarantee, the mid-grade a two-year guarantee, and the higher-grade a three-year guarantee.

I can't envision any of the people at Quincy and Saylor-Beall wide awake all night wondering how to match C-H's performance, but the higher-grade C-H seems to be a decent value.

John



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Chris Smith

02-10-2003 04:51:01




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 Re: campbell hausfeld air compresor question in reply to chris, 02-09-2003 10:18:32  
Yes i know all about the marketing hype in horse power.. It only pulls 15 amps, so it is no more than three horse.. I like this compressor the best because it is in my price range, has a two cylinder all cast iron pump, and ONLY turns 863 rpms!! In my opinion it is the best bang for the buck.. One more question, are there any benefits to adding say a 5 gallon tank to an air system?? I don't know if I would notice an extra 5 gals or not..

Thanks!! Chris Smith

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KURT (Mi)

02-10-2003 02:40:53




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 Re: campbell hausfeld air compresor question in reply to chris, 02-09-2003 10:18:32  
I did a lot of research on air compressor types in the last few months, My company is going to have to buy a new one soon. A easy way to think of it is that a rotary screw compressor-the expensive types produce 4.1 CFM per HP and the piston compressors, the smaller types for home and shop use produce 3.7 CFM per HP. So a 2 HP motor will produce 7.4 CFM maximum at 100PSI and a 5HP will produce 18.5 CFM at 100PSI those figures are for piston compressors. It all comes down to how much money are you going to spend.

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Jon Hagen

02-09-2003 17:34:41




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 Re: campbell hausfeld air compresor question in reply to chris, 02-09-2003 10:18:32  
My cousin has one of those CH 22volt compressors(TSC),and yes they do run the compressor at about twice the rpm. It has served for ocasional use farm shop compressor for several years. Kind of scares me though,the thing sounds like a chain saw at fast idle :)



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Rod (NH)

02-09-2003 17:01:58




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 Re: campbell hausfeld air compresor question in reply to chris, 02-09-2003 10:18:32  
Hi Chris,

I suggest you do NOT compare compressors based on HP. Many of the current HP ratings are extremely deceiving. I have an old (27 yr) Sears single stage machine that is rated at 7.8 cfm @40 and 6.3 cfm @90. It has a true 2 HP motor. That was when it didn't take a 5HP motor to do the job of a 2 :o). Seriously though, some of these ratings are really out-to-lunch, IMO. They seem to be coming up with very short term HP ratings on some of these machines just to "make 'em sound bigger". They are definitely not continuous ratings. Inflated ratings like that have no real bearing on actual performance.

It's the cfm that really counts. The only way to increase the capacity of the same air pump is to increase the speed. The required HP will increase proportionally for the same discharge pressure. A true 5 HP machine will draw about 22 amps at 230 volts and fully run a compressor delivering around 17 cfm @175 in two stage and a little more in single stage @90. Check the amperage on the motor nameplate. If it is not over 20 amps at 220/230 volts, it is NOT a true 5 HP motor. It may even have a telltale "spl" associated with the HP rating. This would indicate a "special" rating that is short term and not continuous. You want continuous.

My recommendation would be to buy all the cfm @90 that you can afford. Forget the HP rating altogether, but check the required motor amperage at full load to be sure your existing electrical wiring is satisfactory. And stay away from the 110 volt stuff. If you want to run any serious air tools, you want the 220/230 in order to keep the amperage draw within reason. For example, a true 5 HP requires a 30 amp circuit at 220 volts...or an unrealistic 50 or 60 amp one if at 110!

I don't have an opinion on "extreme duty". I have never heard that one before. Sounds like marketing hype to me. Just like the 5 HP that produces less air than my old 2 HP.

Rod

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John in MA

02-09-2003 15:29:56




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 Re: campbell hausfeld air compresor question in reply to chris, 02-09-2003 10:18:32  
I would assume because the 5HP is a 110V motor and not anywhere near 5HP. Probably rated at prak HP and is closer to 1.5. The 220V machine might be rated at actual output, or closer to it.



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