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Water Circulator for Tig Welder

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MO

02-07-2003 13:41:09




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I have a Miller 300 welder and am considering getting the accessories to be able to use it as a Tig, also. I know I need the torch, the foot pedal, the gas, etc. What I was wondering is, if anybody has or knows how to build a water circulator for cooling on the cheap? Trying to do this as inexpensively as I can, but want something that works. Anything you can offer is appreciated. Thanks much,

MO

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Ken S.

02-13-2003 08:31:14




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 Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-07-2003 13:41:09  
Mo, try using a pump such as a "Little Giant" They are submersable and reasonable from Northen or Grainger. Ken S.from Fla.



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william

02-08-2003 16:51:29




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 Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-07-2003 13:41:09  
just buy a air cooled torch its cheaper than the whole rig for water cooled good luck



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mark

02-08-2003 12:44:58




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 Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-07-2003 13:41:09  
I bought a TIG adapter at a swap meet for $20. It has the gas and water solenoids. The low buck way is to use one of these adapters and let the water run from the faucet. If you don't have water handy, and need to build a water circulator, you don't need a special kind of pump or anything. Get a $50 pump from Surplus Center in Nebraska, and just plumb it into a tank and lines. Make sure you use antifreeze if it gets cold where you are.

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Rod MI

02-07-2003 23:35:02




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 Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-07-2003 13:41:09  
I'm making one it will cost you about $225 for the pump and motor (NEW)You wont a Carbonator Gear I'm making one. It will cost you about $225 for the pump and motor (NEW). You wont a Carbonator Gear Pump and about 3 gallons of water RV antifreeze mix and a tank for the water the tank I'm thinking about using is at the link below please post more information about your use requirements and how long you will be welding. Is it a home shop or industrial? Miller and Lincoln uses Procon Pumps. you can buy used pumps on Ebay if you now what you wont just make shire you get a Adjustable Relief Valve pump. But
the cheapest one of all is your house water faucet. I haven't fineshed mine yet I'm waiting for the price of RV antifreeze to drop.

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Rod MI

02-07-2003 23:38:40




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 Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to Rod MI, 02-07-2003 23:35:02  
I'm making one. It will cost you about $225 for the pump and motor (NEW). You wont a Carbonator Gear Pump and about 3 gallons of water RV antifreeze mix and a tank for the water the tank I'm thinking about using is at the link below please post more information about your use requirements and how long you will be welding with it. Is it a home shop or industrial? Miller and Lincoln uses Procon Pumps. you can buy used pumps on Ebay if you now what you wont just make shire you get a Adjustable Relief Valve pump. But
the cheapest one of all is your house water faucet. I haven't fineshed mine yet I'm waiting for the price of RV antifreeze to drop.

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The Grainger part number for my pump and motor is 7P089

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MO

02-08-2003 07:14:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to Rod MI, 02-07-2003 23:38:40  
Rod,

It is just for home use. I never even thought of the water faucet. I am taking a class at the local college for TIG right now, and they have running water for cooling. For as much as I would use it at home, that might be a better deal. I will have to look into that more. Thanks for the all of the info. Appreciate it.

MO



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Rod MI

02-08-2003 11:55:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-08-2003 07:14:41  
Glad I could help!



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T_Bone

02-09-2003 10:45:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to Rod MI, 02-08-2003 11:55:02  
Hi MO,

The only problem with water, tap or treated, is that it will scale inside the torch pipe and eventually plug the torch head as thats where the heat is concentrated. We have this problem on commerical chillers for AC and we use a treated monitored water supply.

You can use a swamp (evaporative) cooler pump, about $15 at Wal-mart, with antifreeze and this works well. The anitfreeze will have the chemicals to stop the scale and will cool better than water.

T_Bone

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MO

02-09-2003 15:39:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to T_Bone, 02-09-2003 10:45:11  
T-Bone,

Do you just put the antifreeze in a tub and then recirculate it? Is there anything special (other than the pump) you need to do this? I didn't think about the rust and scale - but should have. This sounds better because my water is very hard to start with.

Mo



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T_Bone

02-10-2003 11:20:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-09-2003 15:39:45  
Hi Mo,

As I stated it depends on what amperage your welding at and the length of welding time depends how much cooling capicity you need. All of the commerical units are rated for 500amp plus so they design there systems to handle that but how many times does the normal commerical/home shop use that amperage?

They also have to consider a flat run or if your welding 20ft above the tank. Each 2.31ft equals 1psi of resistance or about 8.65psi at 20ft. Again what is "your" typical usage? More height = more psi the pump needs.

At higher pressures, antifreeze can raise it's boiling point to a limit. EG based is about 240*f where PG based is about 320*f for a given amount of pressure. Now were into considering cavitation at the torch head and is a simular problem that diesel engines face with pitting of the cyl sleeves. Most of the long life EG based coolants do contain stop leak but shouldn't be a problem in this useage. They still make the standard EG coolants tho if that is a concern.

RV antifreze is not designed for high heat applications and would be more prone to the cavitation problems. T_Bone

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Rod MI

02-09-2003 20:04:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-09-2003 15:39:45  
MO you will wont to use distilled water and RV antifreeze mix automotive antifreeze can plug up your torch do to leak stoppers put in them. You need a constant pressure pump capable of about 50 psi if you don't you can boil the water at the torch and melt you hoses and torch.You mite be able to use a house water filter in line to filter out the impurity's these are the only affordable guaranteed ways I now to cool your torch check out sum of the links below Rod MI

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T_Bone

02-09-2003 19:35:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Water Circulator for Tig Welder in reply to MO, 02-09-2003 15:39:45  
Hi Mo,

Yep about 10gal, depends on the amps and weld time, is needed at 50/50 mix with a lid so it doesn't evaporate as fast and I would use distilled water for the mix. 10gal should be sufficent for most welding needs if not a truck heater coil with a fan works well.

T_Bone



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