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Scott

02-06-2003 14:36:37




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I've got my grandpas old surveying equipment (not sure how old), and I need to add a terrace to the family farm. After I plow in the washout, I need to survey it. Any good places I can look for a base knowledge of surveying? I known it can be a complicated process to know the hole thing, but for a terrace, it can't be that difficult.




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MarkB

02-06-2003 19:25:01




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 Re: Surveying help needed in reply to Scott, 02-06-2003 14:36:37  
CNKS is right that your first stop should be the local NRCS office. Except it's Natural Resources Conservation Service, not "National".

The NRCS can tell you about proper terrace design for your application. A critical item is that the terraces must be spaced close enough to handle a heavy rainfall without overflowing. You may have to put in several terraces, depending on the size of your field.

My Dad built a few hundred miles of terraces in his lifetime. He surveyed most of them himself, and I got to carry the rod for him a good portion of the time.

If your terrace is very long, you will need a better-than-average level or transit. An error that would only be a fraction of an inch for something the size of a house will add up to several feet on a long terrace. Also, the distance means that you need quite a bit more magnification than a typical transit has. My dad always used a Leitz autolevel that had about 32X magnification.

Once you have your terrace spacing, the actual surveying is simple. Give your helper a handful of flags and a stadia rod, and have him start walking the general contour of the terrace. Every hundred feet or so, have him stop and check the stadia rod to see if he needs to go up or down. Just wave up or down to tell him where to go. When he's back on the contour, have him set a flag and go on to the next shot.

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CNKS

02-07-2003 12:33:58




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 Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to MarkB, 02-06-2003 19:25:01  
I know it's "Natural" -- hard to proof my own writing!



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CNKS

02-06-2003 17:54:00




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 Re: Surveying help needed in reply to Scott, 02-06-2003 14:36:37  
Best place is the "National Resources Conservation Service", a US Government agency formerly known as the Soil Conservation Service. May be listed in your phone book under United States Government -- USDA Service Center. They might even do the surveying for you, possibly share the cost, at least they used to. Although one terrace won't cost you much. They have surveyed thousands (maybe tens of thousands or more) terraces. At the least ,they can tell you what type of terrace to put in, as to slope for drainage, etc.

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paul

02-07-2003 08:11:40




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 Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to CNKS, 02-06-2003 17:54:00  
Be aware that getting govt agencies involved can dramaticly increase the cost of the project, subject you to much paperwork, permits, and they will 'own' the project for your lifetime - no longer your land.

Sometimes it goes well - in other locations & situations, it is a thing to be avoided.

--->Paul



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CNKS

02-07-2003 12:40:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to paul, 02-07-2003 08:11:40  
Don't think there is any problem with the NRCS. They have helped thousands of farmers. They are not regulatory agency. Not all govt agencies are out to get you.



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JMS/MN

02-08-2003 09:39:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2003 12:40:00  
Not regulatory? Try moving some dirt on what you thought was your own farm. It better not have a cattail growing in it! They dictate land management, according to their definition. Try improving drainage on land that has been farmed for decades. They forgot that the reason for an abundant food supply in this country is because farmers HAD the ability to make improvements on their land, as THEY saw fit. Yes, for those that think I have a landlord, that I do not really own my land, I do have one. But I spell his Name G-O-D..... not DNR or ASC.

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thurlow

02-08-2003 10:57:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to JMS/MN, 02-08-2003 09:39:26  
JMS; you kinda "date" yourself with the use of ASC; Actually, it was known locally as the A*s office.



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JMS/MN

02-08-2003 15:18:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to thurlow, 02-08-2003 10:57:37  
Good one, thurlow-lol! Right, I'm not the youngest around, when Dad saw the need, the "permitting authority" was the checkbook. And usda is too close to uffda for us chermans to understand.



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SteveB(wi)

02-06-2003 16:47:35




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 Re: Surveying help needed in reply to Scott, 02-06-2003 14:36:37  
Two places I would start are either your local community college if they have a surveying or Civil Engineering course. They are sometimes looking for projects for student training. Often the Professor/teacher will give advice. Another source could be your County extension agent/department. Look to some of the antique surveying web sites to help determine the era of your instruments. Old instruments seem to going the way of old tractors in that their values are starting to be based on collector value as opposed to working value. Properly maintained equipment will last a couple life times. The newer stuff is much more user friendly though.

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jls

02-09-2003 16:39:51




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 Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to SteveB(wi), 02-06-2003 16:47:35  
new stuff may be called user friendly but it can set you wrong just as fast as the old stuff,, last winter used a laser on a muddy pad to set header heights, 6" or more off on an 80' building, buddy I work with is a real perfectionist and goes nuts for two days. Finally I buy 100' of 1/4" plastic tube and 98 cents of windshield washer fluid. The old water level matches up to an 1/8". The clay in the pad was flexing under the laser tripod everytime someone walked by or the backhoe was moved past it

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Ludwig - junk equipment

02-09-2003 18:20:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Surveying help needed in reply to jls, 02-09-2003 16:39:51  
Alot of the new stuff is just trash, just like alot of the old stuff was.
A laser level worth its salt ought to refuse to shoot if its out of level. An operator worth his salt ought to check...
I spent (As I've said before) a whole winter working a railyard. At one point we had a thaw and it was all heck keeping the instrument level. Finally put boards under the tripod feet, but then had to be VERY careful when walking around to not kick them. Then imagine what happened when a 200,000# loco rolled past...

Oh, another thing a good crew will do is shoot a benchmark at start AND finish. If the finish is off, then theres a good chance a bunch of other stuff is too, so you reset and relevel and shoot back through the list until things match up, then you shoot 25% of whats left for spot checks.

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