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JD790

01-29-2003 19:28:07




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Does anyone out there use Wind powered generators
or know much about them. We happen to live in a constantly breezy to windy area.




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doug stockman

02-01-2003 05:06:01




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
My family and I have lived for the past 2 yrs on mainly wind with a small solar PV kick. We have not needed any grid power. The suggestion of going to www.homepower.com is the best advice. I did the entire installation myself. Wind does require maintenence and is not for the timid. Before you start thinking about generating your own electricity, it is always more cost effective to reduce consumption. Our 2,200 sf home uses about 180 kwhrs/month. This is 1/3 the consumption of other area homes. If you want to use wind to save money - forget about it. Wind generated electricity costs about $0.12 - $0.16 per kwhr for small home sized turbines. Our local utility costs about $0.09/kwhr. Feel free to email me for more info.

Doug Stockman
Penfield, NY

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Richard Fazio

01-30-2003 10:56:18




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
Like it has been said in previous posts it depends on the amount of power you want to make an the amount of money you want to spend. I have an off grid weekend home. Solar cells only, and batteries, no utilities at all. To go with wind power though, you usually have to spend a bit more. Wind power is not as constant as solar and thus harder to control. If your inerested write me directly at my email address. I can give you a lot of info and sites to go to.

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Ludwig

01-30-2003 06:57:11




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
I also live in a constantly windy area, although right now its trying to make me look silly by being more still than it has in the last three years.
#1 thing to do is to look around and see if anyone around you has a windgenerator. Look on hillsides, sometimes they're hard to spot. Heck I "found" a whole windfarm last summer within 5 miles of my house.
Realize that a big propeller outside the house isn't going to be silent, but I don't think they're that loud.
Realize you aren't ever going to make back what it'll cost. You're going into this to get power when the grid is down, or give back some environmentally sound power, or have a conversation piece or something like that.

READ READ READ everything you can find. Lots of times neighbors will have complaints you'll have to work around, be ready.

After that, good luck! Take pictures, document everything, make a website.

Also check into microhyrdo and solar power for times when its not windy. Generally a combination of generating systems is a good way to ensure you always have power.

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jim

01-30-2003 06:54:00




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
A fellow in our community just installed his turbine last week. He lives on the shore of Lake Erie (always a breeze). Total cost was $40,000 Can. plus the tower he fabricated himself (he's a boat builder). He is now supplying his own power and selling the rest to the local power company. Haven't seen it myself but it was reported in the local paper along with pictures. Very interesting as , from his house , you can see the world's largest coal-fired generating station.

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G Taylor

01-30-2003 15:45:58




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 Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to jim, 01-30-2003 06:54:00  
I didn't know you were a Molson's,backbacon,toque and maple syrup type of guy.



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jim

01-30-2003 17:40:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to G Taylor, 01-30-2003 15:45:58  
Hey , you forgot the Toronto Maple Leafs eh !



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G Taylor

01-31-2003 09:13:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to jim, 01-30-2003 17:40:34  
I guess they have the Craptors playing basketball too. Rarely hear that the game is Canadian in origins. In the attached link is OPG's solution to greenhouse gases, windmill and links to other info.If you look real close, I'm standing just to the east side of unit 2.

Link



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jim

01-31-2003 15:14:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to G Taylor, 01-31-2003 09:13:48  
Do you work at Nanticoke G.S.?



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G Taylor

01-31-2003 16:01:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to jim, 01-31-2003 15:14:20  
Pickering. Lots of people have transfeered from thermal to here however. To bad about that temp employee geting too close to the coal conveyor last year. It's so easy to injured or killed and leave a family behind.



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jim

01-31-2003 16:25:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to G Taylor, 01-31-2003 16:01:02  
Quite a coincidence , I live just east of Nanticoke and worked there during construction. Unit 2 was the first brought on stream there in 1972. Many pleasant memories of those construction days although we lost 2 men there. Was back for a spell in 1991 but found quite a difference in management attitude. More people in Human Resources in /91 than the entire construction office with 3000 workers earlier.

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G Taylor

02-01-2003 09:18:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to jim, 01-31-2003 16:25:30  
The electricity is now a by-product. The main product we produce now is printed paper by bureaucrats.



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Bet

01-30-2003 05:36:35




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
I'm sorta interested in this too. My question would be the practical use of the energy produced. How many batteries do you need to keep living like we do? I know this is complicated, but after looking at Homepower magizine at the library, I get the feling you have to go to the "alternative" life style, and we ain't hippies living in a dome. Maybe someone has some practical experience with this. A methane digester or hydrogen generator seems more user friendly to me.

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Ludwig

01-30-2003 06:52:07




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 Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to Bet, 01-30-2003 05:36:35  
Actually I think your degree of "alternative" is up to you. At its most basic you can get setup with a system that generates power (from solar say) during the day and pumps it onto the electrical grid, or just cuts down the amount your using from the grid. If you pump power(make more than you use) into the grid (not to be done without proper installation for safety) then your meter runs backwards. Then later when you're using more than you make the meter goes forward again. In that method you use the grid as a battery.

For true "off-grid" yeah, you need batteries, no way around it. You also need to cut down on your use. Face it, as americans we are hopeless wasters of electricity. Electric stoves are hideously inefficient, so are most AC units although thats getting better. They say that every $1 spend making your life more efficient is worth $5 in generation which makes a bunch of sense.

I have a feeling, based on the way things are going, that it will start to become cost effective to produce your own power in about 10 years. Electric power from the grid ain't getting any cheaper, while larger production runs and better technology are bringing down the cost of solar panels. Still with the battery issue we're gonna need to conserve, conserve, conserve. Compact flourescent light bulbs, newer less energy wasting appliances, the whole bit.

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T_Bone

01-29-2003 22:34:50




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
Hi JD790,

I went with all solar electric on my RV a couple years ago and just love it if you want to here about it.

I've also serviced and designed some great solar hotwater systems.

Aeromotor has been around a very long time on wind generators. They still make the old style windmill where it only takes 3mph wind to start generation. The new blade designs (air foil) seam to take upward of 10mph to start generating. I've looked into them but never got beyond that stage.

T_Bone

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Joe (Wa)

01-29-2003 21:52:22




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
Home power mag is an excellent source for alternate energy info. It is available in major book stores, by subscription, or current issue can be read free on their web site (the web issue is one behind, I just rec #93 in the mail and #92 is avail on the site). Joe

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Ben in KY

01-29-2003 20:20:27




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 Re: Wind power? in reply to JD790, 01-29-2003 19:28:07  
You must be close to the capital :)



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george l.

01-30-2003 07:24:31




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 Re: Re: Wind power? in reply to Ben in KY, 01-29-2003 20:20:27  
Be sure to check into "net-metering" , the selling back of electic produced by wind is not approved in all states .



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