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Lathe won't run true.

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Dan J

01-18-2003 15:44:04




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I have a Craftsman 10" lathe and it seems like no matter what I put in the 3 jaw chuck it doesen't run true. I have it on a steel table and feet are shimmed so there is no wobble. What is wrong? Thanks. Dan




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John Garner

01-19-2003 11:10:44




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 Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Dan J, 01-18-2003 15:44:04  
Dan J --

The other guys have covered the potential problems with a 3-jaw chuck fairly well, but it does sound to me like your lathe bed may well be twisted.

Assuming that your lathe is mounted on solid ground, one of the simplest and fastest ways to check a lathe for twisting is to use a precision level. As with most jobs, there are dozens of different ways to use a level to check for twisting . . . but the way I'd suggest involves running the carriage up as close to the headstock as it'll go and then setting the level (tool) on the top of the cross-slide or compound. Shim between the level and the lathe surface it's sitting on the bring the bubble to the center of the vial. Then, without moving anything else, crank the carriage down to the other end of the bed. The bubble should still be in the center of the vial; if it's not either the level moved on the carriage or the lathe bed is twisted.

Run this test a couple times to be sure you get the same result, and then if necessary re-shim between the lathe bed and the bench at the tailstock end of the bed as needed to center the bubble in the vial.

The millwright's standard level (tool) for setting up a lathe is called a "master precision level" and the vial is graduated so that roughly 0.0005 inch of tilt per foot is needed to change the bubble position in the vial by one division. The next step down is the "millwright's and mechanic's level", which is graduated so a tilt of 0.005 inch per foot moves the bubble one division. Either one of these tools should be adequate to set up a home shop lathe.

Carpenter's levels don't usually have graduated vials -- and even a very good carpenter's level is not nearly as sensitive as a millwright's level -- but if a carpenter's level is the best level you can get you hands on, checking your lathe with a carpenter's level beats not checking it at all.

John

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John Garner

01-19-2003 12:21:58




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 Re: Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to John Garner, 01-19-2003 11:10:44  
Dan J --

I forgot to mention that when setting the level (tool) on the lathe the long axis of the level should be perpendicular to the bed ways so as to measure rotation around the long axis of the bed.

Levelling a lathe bed lengthwise is far less critical as long as the lathe doesn't have "center s" that could potentially push a hump or pull a dip into the bed.

John



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kraig WY

01-19-2003 08:49:56




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 Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Dan J, 01-18-2003 15:44:04  
I think Tom hit the nail on the head. If you want accuracy you need the 4 jaw chuck and a dial indicater. You could come pretty close with collets or mounting the work between centers. Set up, regardless of type of chuck, is 90 percent of good work in any machine operation.



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Skinner

01-19-2003 06:38:53




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 Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Dan J, 01-18-2003 15:44:04  
We use to use "soft Jaws" for our 3 jaw chucks the majority of the time. They were AL and We would mark them 1,2,3 and put them in the proper place, and machine them true. The repeatability was pretty decent. Two countersunk allen bolts would hold each one on. I haven't ran a lathe in about 20 years and my memory isn't that good. There were some real good pointers given in the other post as well.

Most of the time, if a 3 jaw chuck was running out too far, it was mainly because the jaws weren't put in the proper place.

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Bob

01-18-2003 16:53:54




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 Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Dan J, 01-18-2003 15:44:04  

Hi Dan There are many reasons why a 3-jaw may not run true Below are some and what chould be done about it. You did not say how far the run out is, ie .002 or .125 " , thius might help with the solution but I'll list some anyhow.

1. The jaws are just worn - The inner surfaces will need to be re-ground. A manual for our lathe
might have a recommended method, generally tightening the jaws against the inner surface of a heavy tubing that is true and setting a grinder with a small wheel in the tool post , taking very light passes until the jaws are true.

2. Jaws have been taken apart and replaced in the wrong order, the chuck plate and jaws have matching numbers. - Re-assemble in the correct order.

3. The chuck is from another lathe. New chucks
used to come with an un-machined back which was then your first job, to screw the back on the lathe and machine it to fit the chuck mouting and true to the lathe spindle.

Hope this helps some, incidently my 3 jaw runs out
about .003-.004 " but I really dont do anything much that requires more accuracy, or I can use the 4 jaw and take my time with the set up.

Bob WHitmoyer

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Neal in NM

01-19-2003 07:02:18




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 Re: Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Bob, 01-18-2003 16:53:54  
Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with the first statement. A three jaw chuck is operated by a scroll. If the scroll is worn in one spot then grinding the jaws will make them accurate for one spot and not for the rest of the scroll. Everything else is correct. If it is the scroll it and the jaws have to be replaced as they usually come in a matched set. Neal



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Tom

01-18-2003 18:05:04




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 Re: Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Bob, 01-18-2003 16:53:54  
You got some good information in the other post. I can add that very few 3 jaws run perfect. I think that up to .005 run out is normal, at least at some point in the range of opening. If you can put a job in and make the whole part, then cut it off, the runout will not matter. If it is an accurate job you need to chuck up, well then out comes the 4 jaw and indicator. It only takes a few minuts to indicate in a 4 jaw when you get used to doing it and then it is right. I use a 4 jaw at least half of the time for this reason,I want the part running true, saving the 3 jaw chucks for when the part will be made on one operation and cut off.

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mj

01-19-2003 12:04:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Lathe won't run true. in reply to Tom, 01-18-2003 18:05:04  
I 'fought' a 3-jaw and had it running within a thousandth until I chucked a different dia. than what I was using for the truing operation. I came to the same conclusion: that the scroll is worn unevenly; related to the most frequent sizes chucked up over the years, probably. I've got 2 lathes that take the same tooling so I use one with a good three-jaw and the other with the 4-jaw.



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