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Slowpoke

01-14-2003 15:27:58




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Does time and humidity affect "gas cleaned" welding wire on the old fiberboard spools? I'd like to buy some, but it looks kinda old, and possibly it got very damp.




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Fred Kobs

01-14-2003 18:55:07




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 Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to Slowpoke, 01-14-2003 15:27:58  
Also, if you run it use new wiper with plenty of juice on it B4 the feeder rolls. Just a suggestion.



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T_Bone

01-14-2003 17:17:26




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 Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to Slowpoke, 01-14-2003 15:27:58  
Hi slowpoke,

Yes SS solid wire does oxidize but once it covered with a oxidized layer it won't go much deeper with time. I would look at how dirty it is, oil would be a big concern as well a surface rust if any. Surface rust would come from someone grinding mildsteel in the direction of the wire spool and it's the mild steel thats rusting, depending on the type of SS.

Another concern what type of SS wire is it?, 304 308, 316, or 400 series? 316 don't like to be welded with 304, etc. If it isn't marked it would have to be dirt cheap to mess with it.

I just put on a roll of E70S and a rat had pi$$ed on the roll. I've pulled off probably two pounds and still hit rat pi$$ wire. I'm going to pull off another 2lbs and if that don't help, I'm going to chuck it as it's not worth replacing a new liner.

T_Bone

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Slowpoke

01-14-2003 20:12:53




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 Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to T_Bone, 01-14-2003 17:17:26  
Sorry, I forgot to mention it's "NOS" 308 with the plastic wrap still covering the hardboard reel. I'd like to us it to weld a SS swimming pool filter tank. Can it also be used to join SS with mild steel?
Thanks for the help.



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T_Bone

01-14-2003 21:32:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to Slowpoke, 01-14-2003 20:12:53  
Hi Slowpoke,

Yes it should work "ok" although 309 would work best. I would imanage you will see a dark weld bead with alot of carbon on the surface. You didn't say what size pipe?, plate?. That might change things but if not a pressure joint I'm not to concerned.

T_Bone



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Slowpoke

01-14-2003 21:49:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to T_Bone, 01-14-2003 21:32:30  
T-Bone..... The SS tank is about #18 ga..so is the steel. No pressure, open to air, about 5 gal. of water (level controled by toilet tank ball unit) which is pumped thru the heated coils and out the hose as steam. Looks is not important. Just for cleaning tractors and other junk.



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T_Bone

01-14-2003 21:53:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to Slowpoke, 01-14-2003 21:49:07  
Go for it :) let us know how it works when your done!

T_Bone



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Scott V

01-14-2003 19:57:51




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 Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to T_Bone, 01-14-2003 17:17:26  
316 ss don"t like to be welded with 304 ss?I was kind of wondering where do you find 304 filler?Cut your own?



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T_Bone

01-14-2003 21:23:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to Scott V, 01-14-2003 19:57:51  
Hi Scott,

Yep I do cut mine for Tig sometimes but you did catch a mistake, Thanks. That should read 308. I've got 304 on my mind as I'm building tanks right now.

T_Bone



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Fred Kobs

01-15-2003 00:51:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to T_Bone, 01-14-2003 21:23:59  
Hi T_Bone, I have welded just enough stainless to have a couple of 2lb. spools laying around, hopefully the rats haven't found them yet, but how do you know what alloy to use? I have burned a lot of wire in my time but am completely self-taught so don't know much tech. on it. Thank you:Fred



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Steve U.S. Alloys

01-15-2003 16:15:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to Fred Kobs, 01-15-2003 00:51:42  
The general rule is to match the base material, Fred.

If you are joining dissimilar grades of austenitic stainless steel the 309 designation is best suited.

Most of what you will run across in agricultural applications is 304 S.S. and generally speaking, in the food industry, you will find 316 or 316L.

Some 400 series will be found in industrial applications involving pump parts, etc. These are all austenitic types.

The rules can change considerably outside the realm of the austenitic grades.
HTH,
Steve

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Scott V

01-14-2003 22:48:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Old SS welding wire in reply to T_Bone, 01-14-2003 21:23:59  
I thought you knew better.What would be the point of cutting 304 for welding,color match?I thought welding 304 with 304 is bad ju ju.I hardly do any stainless,but I use 316L when I tig stuff.I even use it with mild steel.I know sometimes it's not the best thing to use,but works for me.I have all sorts of welding machines that are top quality.I like it that way,because I can never blame the equipment for my crappy welds.It's always what did I do to get it to look like that.I seem to learn faster that way.It also kind of keeps you humble.

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