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Royce

01-08-2003 00:38:16




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Just picked up this old compressor. Runs & charges up...needs sprucing up. Any info would be appreciated..especially about changint the oil & bleeding the tank.




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John in MA

01-10-2003 11:16:14




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 Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-08-2003 00:38:16  
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Just thought you guys might like to see the compressor I made a couple years ago. Scrap 20 gallon tank and small pump, motor from a yard sale, pressure switch from eBay, and everything else bought locally. I painted it that nice OD green.



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Royce

01-10-2003 11:31:33




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 Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to John in MA, 01-10-2003 11:16:14  
SWEET!!!! Nice job..and it looks good, too. Colorful. Makes you happy when you step into the shop.
I notice that there is a filter on the intake...should I have one of those? I believe there is a 1" copper tube at my intake.

is it possible to retro-fit a drain into the bottom of my tank...or is that really pushing it?
I would certainly keep it horizontal if it werent for the drain problem.

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John in MA

01-10-2003 12:03:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-10-2003 11:31:33  
The green's darker in person. Looks like you're at an Army camp, then you see thay funny red compressor.

The filer is another thing. Compressors need air filters as much as cars or mowers do. I'd try and find one if I were you. Some of the sources I listed in my other post have them. Paper element Solberg filters are best, but I'd use just a simple foam one if you can find them.

Unless you know a certified pressure vessel welder who could put a fitting on the bottom of the tank, don't try. Putting it on end seems like the only option in this case.

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royce

01-10-2003 18:02:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to John in MA, 01-10-2003 12:03:58  
Good news...I do have a drain.It sems that the plug with the 1/4" outlet on the left end has a tube that runs down the inner tank wall to the floor of the tank and acts as a siphon tube when the drain is opened. I looked at it from the other end of the tank through the 3/4" outlet. The poor fool I bought this from was using the drain cock as the 1/4" air OUTLET! I never thought to consider that point a drain.
And...Curtis was helpful. THey informed me that ony the TANK is theirs. They were selling these tanks back then to other pump companies and they do not recognize the pump.
All this is great news, as I can now re-mount everything back the way it was.
I'll pick up some pano wire tomorrow and snake through the drain tube to see where it comes out on the tank floor.
Now to search for the filter for the pump intake.

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John in MA

01-10-2003 19:03:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to royce, 01-10-2003 18:02:28  
That's wild. I've never seen a drain setup like that. I suppose it would save getting down on the floor to open the drain, but it's pretty strange.

The compressor pump reminds me somewhat of a 1954 Brunner I just bought, but not quite. There used to be a fellow named Roger Prosper on this board who could ID any compressor ever made. A little searching through the archives will probably turn up his email address.

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royce

01-11-2003 05:40:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to John in MA, 01-10-2003 19:03:14  
Yeah...pretty strange. But I actually discovered this from a guy at Air Compressor Works, Inc Link
who>Link told me that they make such devices that work from the side of the tank on siphoning priciples, so its not that uncommon.
I still have not found a source fot eh Kunkle Model 30 relief valve. If I run at 125 psi, I guess my pressure relief should be, what, 135 psi?

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John in MA

01-11-2003 10:43:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to royce, 01-11-2003 05:40:13  
You usually don't have many choices in safety valves. I'd recommend a 150 for your application, and they happen to make them with that setting. Most valves need a pressure difference of 20 or more pounds.

What's so special about this "Kunkle" valve? Standard valves with pipe threads are available everywhere.



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Fred OH want to hear a good one?

01-10-2003 09:42:07




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 Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-08-2003 00:38:16  
Got a freebie compressor similar to that years ago...took it to the shop and hooked it up...ran just fine and all systems worked. Pumped it up, it shut off just like it's supposed to. Later my know it all buddy came in and gave it his once over....said that tanks got water in it....here...I'll show you how to get it out and removed the plug from the bottom....nothing happened...he got a little welding rod stub from the floor and poked it in hole....and old black mung blasted all over him. That's been years ago and I'm still laughing....he was just short of looking like a drowned rat....and black too! Don't know where the black came from. They teamed up on me a while later and set me up for a bath in hydraulic oil. Seriously though....your compressor is old, tired and maybe the tank is a little thinner on the bottom than when new....why don't you be reasonable and set your high/low limit switch a bit lower, say like 70/100 psi. We don't run these old tractors at top speed....think about it! I got a new safety valve I'd give you if you were close and I could find it. L8R....Fred OH

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royce

01-10-2003 10:17:32




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 Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Fred OH want to hear a good one?, 01-10-2003 09:42:07  
Greast story, Fred. Now, I would open up a drain on the bottom...if it had one. Nothing below mid-level...which is why I'm going to mount the tank vertical to make use of one end's outlet as a drain point. I'll keep my pressure cut-out @ 125 like a good boy. This tank is pretty tough and I don't see a problem at 125. Even if it ruptures, it won't be at the welds, and a crack in thin iron will do just that...crack. No projectiles as iron at that pressure would not fragment as it would under higher impulse like from a detonation (bomb). As for that safety valve, I would humbly accept the offer and certainly pay whatevet shipping & handling you may need. I assume this valve is set for 125 psi? Is it 1/4" npt? Email me if you want to go further.
Can anyone tell me how fast this pump should run? The motor is 1700 rpm, but with that monster flywheel, I haven't calculated yet how fast the pump is turning...but it is pretty slow.
Also, I found that the inlet to the tank [from the pump] is a check valve...one way in...no way back out. Is that common? I assume that is to protect the head from back-pressure...and if that's the case, then I might junk this pressure switch and get one that has an unloader and tie it into the feed line from pump to tank.
Am I on the right path here? My brain is growing faster than I can monitor it.

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John in MA

01-10-2003 11:05:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to royce, 01-10-2003 10:17:32  
Comrpessor tanks really do blow up. They're steel, not iron, and the air stores a huge about of energy. Anyway, if you really want to be safe water test it. Plug up the tank, fill with water, then pressurize with a water pump or grase gun to about 160-200. If it bursts then it wasn't safe in the first place. I've done this to all the old compressors I've found and all have been good. If you're not up to that, at least get a scope and examine the rust inside the tank.

You want your safety valve to be 20 pounds over the cutoff or it'll blow on its own.

The pulley/speed relationship is direct. If your motor pulley is 3" and the compressor flywheel is 12", then the compressor will turn at one quarter the speed of the motor. I would guess that the pump is supposed to be used in the 450 to 800 RPM range.

The check valve in the pump>tank line is so you can use an unloader in the pressure swtich. The unloader is supposed to be pimped into that line. Unloader blows the line, check valve keeps the tank from emptying out. This whole shebang is there to make it easy for the compressor to start without fighting the tank pressure.

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royce

01-11-2003 05:53:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to John in MA, 01-10-2003 11:05:06  
I have ooked inside the tank and yes, there is rust on the bottom. My flywheel is 16" and the wheel on the motor is 1".
With a 1700 rpm motor I guess this pump is running somewhere just above 100 rpm. I thought it was movinf a little slow. It charged the tank...but slowly. I suppose I should move up to at least a 4" wheel and see if it keeps up with my work. If it doesn't I'll increase the wheel by either 1/2" or 1" increment until it does, depending on what I am seeing.
20 lbs over the cut-out...got it.
When a tank blows, I would think that it ruptures at the weakest rust point, which in this cae would be the bottom.
What are the characteristics of such an event?
At 125 psi, could it propel the tank upward with the weight of the tank, pump & motor?

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John in MA

01-11-2003 10:51:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to royce, 01-11-2003 05:53:47  
100 RPM is way too slow. Most compressors run with splash lubrication and you won't get much splashing at that speed. I'd shoot for 400 to 600. What's the HP of your motor? That'll limit how fast you can turn the compressor.

A little rust in the tank is fine--it happens to every compressor. You just don't want it rusted out. There are a couple of failure modes for air tanks. The most common (maybe 90% of the time) is that pinholes develop and let you know it's time for a new tank. The other 10% is more interesting. A big chunk of the bottom would blow out and the thing would either: 1. jump into the air. 2. Split open like a peeled bannana, thoug this is most common when a weld rusts out. How's you tank welded? Both are dangerous to be around.

As far as the blast moving the compressor, think about it. 125 pounds per square inch would exert a quick thrust of of 250 pounds with a 2-square-inch hole in the bottom. Your ~100 pound comressor would be moving.

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Royce

01-11-2003 14:35:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to John in MA, 01-11-2003 10:51:26  
The welds are pretty hefty...a 1/2" well rounded bead along both seams.
The motor is rated @ 1 1/2 HP.
Asf for the valves & guages, I'm having a heck of time finding then.
I have tracked down a 0-160 Guage @ NorthernTools.com for about $8 + $8 shipping. The pressure relief valve I can't find. I guess I'm just looking in the wrong places. I am new to machining and, now, new to pneumatics. I'm not in the 'loop' so-to-speak.

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John in MA

01-11-2003 17:39:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-11-2003 14:35:30  
Is there a seam down the middle on the bottom? That's the one that can rust, but it really isn't that common.

With 1.5HP you should be good for most any speed you want. Use an ammeter when you have the new pulley on just to be sure, but it sounds good.

McMaster-Carr, Grainger, and Enco all should sell these parts. Check in the yellow pages under compressors, bearings, or power transmission. You'll get stores that sell this stuff that way. Even our local lumberyard carries safety valves here. Try some non-chain places around where you are.

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PD

01-09-2003 08:01:32




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 Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-08-2003 00:38:16  
What a neat old compressor!!! I have an old Curtis made in 1954. I use it frequently. The only thing I was and am concerned about with old compressors is the integrity of the receiver (air tank). I have heard of air tanks blowing up and of people getting hurt or worse. Not a pleasant thought, to be sure. I would recommend having the tank checked before you use it much. You can change the oil just like doing an oil change in your lawn mower. There is a little plug somewhere on the lower portion of the crankcase to drain the oil. Use air compressor oil, not detergent automotive engine oil. There should also be a water drain on the bottom of the air tank to drain condensation. You should do that every time you use it, more often under really humid/rainy conditions. Good luck and have fun with your old compressor. Regards..... ..P

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mike gott

01-30-2003 20:30:17




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 Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to PD, 01-09-2003 08:01:32  
we have a curtis compressor and we are looking for an overhaul kit or just a head gasket does anyone know where we could get parts for this



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Royce

01-09-2003 08:55:37




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 Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to PD, 01-09-2003 08:01:32  
Thanks for the good advice.
Mine is a 1944 and the tank seems pretty solid.
There is no drain on the bottom so I intend to mount the motor & pump separately from the tank and stand the tank up (vertical) so I get the drain on the bottom and the outlet at the top.
I am in touch and waiting for info from Curtis-Toledo. I have given them all the serial #'s and hopefully they will come back with some info.
I'm pretty new to pumps & compressors so I am really feeling my way around on this one. The tank is originally rated for 200 lbs Working Pressure, so I figure on installing a cutoff @ 150 lbs. and a cut in @ 90.
I took off the old Kunkle relief valve because it was frozen. Not sure what to replace it with or even where to get one! The switch seems pretty new but I will change the pressure guage and install an output regulator/guage as well. I'll try to stick with 3/4" black pipe all around.
This is for my basement home mini-shop.
Any info on how to change the oil & care for the pump would be appreciated. I can send more pics of the pump if necesary. I have very basic knowledge and will not turn any nuts & bolts until I know for sure.,,don't want to wreck anything at this late date of its life. My email is royce_martin@earthlink.net if you care to lend me your knowledge,,,but beware, I have lots of questions as I am on the hunt for knowledge here.

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John in MA

01-09-2003 22:17:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-09-2003 08:55:37  
One thing: Single stage compressors like yours aren't designed to run over around 125 psi. You'll risk blowing the valves in the head if you over-tax it.

Like the other poster said, there should be a little threaded plug around the base of the pump somwhere. Take that out to drain, put it back in, then fill to the correct level with compressor oil.



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Royce

01-10-2003 04:09:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to John in MA, 01-09-2003 22:17:38  
So if I undersatand this, I should be setting my pressure switch for a 125 psi CUT-OUT and a 100 psi Cut IN.
What specs should I use for a pressure safety relief valve and where do I get one?



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John in MA

01-10-2003 10:56:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-10-2003 04:09:30  
That's right. If the bottom end of your pressure switch isn't adjustable, it'll probably be about 125 out, 105 in.

For a 125 psi working pressure, I'd get a saftey valve set at 150 psi. Compressor shops, bearing shops, good hardware stores, and supply catalogs like Grainger, McMaster-Carr, and Enco will have them. Even Sears will sometimes carry them. Common parts.



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Scott V

01-10-2003 05:09:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Curtis Compressor in reply to Royce, 01-10-2003 04:09:30  
Royce,John is right.Set the pressure 125 max.I have a pretty new curtis 5hp triple cyl.They are nice compressors.I have used synthetic oil from the get go.No carbon build up on the valves.You should just stick to 30 wt non detergent,you can buy air compressor oil if you want to.Its just a little more money.Let us know how curtis treats you,because those kind of things are important in a company.Atleast to me.

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