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ron

01-04-2003 21:12:30




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Gotta question for one of you knowledgeable in metal. Will a magnet stick to stainless steel? I always thought it would but I see a lot of imported stuff out there claiming to be stainless but looks more like polished aluminum and won't hold a magnet?




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ron

01-08-2003 11:41:00




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
Thanks to all that responded to my question, I got some good answers ( most way over my head) sorry it started a little fuss between some of you. BTW I did look for an answer by typing in "stainless steel magnetic" and other phrases in a search engine, but ended with so much junk and pop-ups that I did not learn much. This site usually has the answer for me. thanks again: Ron



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op

01-12-2003 18:53:57




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 Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-08-2003 11:41:00  
Stainless is not magnetic.
It weighs about 3 times as much as aluminum.
You can discern aluminum from stainless very easily, if you can dig a screwdriver into it, it is probably aluminum, or possible pot metal.



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ron

01-08-2003 11:38:41




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
Thanks to all that responded to my question, I got some good answers ( most way over my head) sorry it started a little fuss between some of you. BTW I did look for an answer by typing in "stainless steel magnetic" and other phrases in a search engine, but ended with so much junk and pop-ups that I did not learn much. This site usually has the answer for me. thanks again: Ron



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G Taylor

01-05-2003 15:30:13




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
300 series steel has no ferrious metal (iron) in the alloy and 400 series does. Iron's main goal in life is to find some oxygen and turn back into iron oxide(rust). Iron is cheap,readily available and a fine conductor or magnetic flux. Only a few exotic metal alloys have better magnetic qualities.



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Dr.Evil

01-06-2003 13:57:44




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 Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to G Taylor, 01-05-2003 15:30:13  
According to My Jorgensen Steel & Aluminum handbook 316 Stainless steel has .08% carbon Max.; 2.00% Manganese Max; .04% Potassium Max.; 1.0% Silicon Max; 16-18% Chrome; 10-14% Nickel; 2-3% Molybdenum, .75% Copper max.; .1% Nitrogen Max. Any guess what the other 61+% of the material is? (try iron?) It's non-magnetic in it's ANNEALED condition and non-hardenable. Funny thing about Stainless is You anneal it the same way You harden carbon or alloy steel. Heat it up to a temp, hold it , then quench it in water. Lot better places on the internet to find out about metals & their properties than this site.

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G Taylor......., 400 and 300 swapped

01-06-2003 15:26:48




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 Re: Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to Dr.Evil, 01-06-2003 13:57:44  
Yes I did a typo and mixed non ferous 300 series with 400 series stainless which has iron as it's main component. Sorry.



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T_Bone Calling***** Denny Frisk!!!!!

01-06-2003 14:44:48




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 Re: Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to Dr.Evil, 01-06-2003 13:57:44  
Well Denny Frisk, Dr. Evil, or what else you want to call yourself,

We do a pretty good job here of getting more correct than we do wrong. It's helping each other thats important!

Now if you don't agree with what the info says why not help out and be constructive?

I suppose you were born smart and no one ever taught you a thing!

I personally think you would better off on a smart website then you wouldn't degrade yourself here having to read all the incomplete info your so concerned about. You probably post 10 replys a day between the AC, Farmall and Tool forums plus other websites so I would think you could find somewhere all the info is exact and complete so you will feel better about yourself.

Try getting up on the other side of the bed tomorrow :)

T_Bone

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Dr.Evil

01-07-2003 13:14:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to T_Bone Calling***** Denny Frisk!!!!!, 01-06-2003 14:44:48  
T-Bone - Thought I was being constructive about telling what Stainles Steel really is. Mostly Fe or commonly known as iron, same thing that makes up the largest part of most steels. It's not really Stainless, it's Stain resisting... You can make it corrode... just use chloride or sulfur on it... and watch the iron in it turn red. And as far as Me getting out of bed on one side or the other... I really don't think that's any of your X$& Business now is it? I was trying to be helpful about something I deal with EVERY STINKING DAY... I used to buy stainless and all other kinds of steels and plastics for food & chemical equipment, machine tools, automobile shredders, You name it, and I still buy stuff made of metals, mostly copper & brasses now. As far as anyone teaching Me metalurgy, You darn right, Never had a class in My life... Had to learn it all myself the hard way... to stay up with what I do for a living. You better go back & check & see how many posts I've made to this forum lately.... I bet I haven't made 10 posts in the past 3-4 months... and You can darn sure bet it'll be a L-O-N-G time before I ever bother to come here and bother You guys again (like never?). I used to look for Your posts about helping people solve welding problems... Guess I'll have to figure them out myself now....Don't know what You thought You were going to accomplish by this T-Bone..... Sure pissed Me off though.... Glad You don't share any of My other hobbies.

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T_Bone

01-07-2003 17:08:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to Dr.Evil, 01-07-2003 13:14:18  
Denny you did find until you posted this;
"Lot better places on the internet to find out about metals & their properties than this site. "

To me, the guys on this site do a great job of helping each other and I for one wasn't going to let someone slam the website without saying something.

I've read some of your posts on the other forums and I thought it was very out of character for you to make this comment.

T_Bone

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LAST POST HERE T-BONE!

01-08-2003 06:02:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to T_Bone, 01-07-2003 17:08:21  
I quoted My source in the first post with the actual chemistry for 316 SS. EMJ's book also has 203, 303, 304, the Low carbon or 304L and 316L alloys, the 400 series and other "Super Alloys" like the Inconel's, Monel's, Hastalloys, even Titanium. As a service to all that are as facinated in metalurgy as I am I'd recommend checking their web brouser for "ASM", the American Society of Materials. I bought Son the Metals Desk Reference for His birthday or X-mas when He was about 16 yrs old. When He started taking materials courses at Purdue 2 yrs ago it was the first book He was required to get. ALL types of materials and process dealing with metals are covered in this book. It's over $150 but well worth the expense. Other good sites to check are VINCENT Metals, PRINCIPAL METALS, and I haven't checked EMJ's site lately but 'd imagine they have info as well. Sorry My comment didn't set well with You T-Bone...Guess I should have named a few of My better recommended sources but I was pressed for time. Too much just plain BAD information gets distributed over the Internet. I agree there's a lot of very helpful people on this site.... Check the Farmall board.... I was wrong the other day about NO Farmall M's ever having factory disc brakes.... Appears the parts books proved Me wrong... seems as though the last 2-3 weeks production of M's in early 1952 got the Super M disc brakes. Same thing with the H's according to Hugh McKay also. I've never seen one but if the parts books show they made them then they're out there. ANYHOW... I could go on and on about the Armco Nitronic series of alloys, non-galling stainless steels used in food/chemical equipment, DUPLEX Stainless steels, Dairy Metal used to produce bushings for food equipment, made from roughly 60% copper and the rest is nickel but it's ALL silver in color, and many other types of metals I've bought parts from in the past.... Foundry I used to buy parts from about 8 miles from where I'm sitting right now makes an alloy of steel called HC-250. It's a high wear abrasion resistant steel that heat-treats up to about 70 Rockwell on the "C" scale... Glass hard... have to grind or EDM the material once it's hard. The "250" stands for 2.50% Carbon... Neat stuff Huh? The mixing flights in the continous flow mixer for the rocket fuel used in the solid rocket boosters for the Space Shuttle are made from that material. I also have some info at home for some steel used to make machine tools parts that when heat-treated properly has almost 400,000 ponds tensile strength. That's about 10 times the strength of common steel most things are made from. Great stuff. LIKE I SAID BEFORE T-BONE... Sorry You didn't like My comment... I was just trying to help.... My suggestion to many people is to check Your local library to answer a lot of these questions... All kinds of GOOD information available if You look.

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T_Bone

01-08-2003 21:10:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: stainless steel in reply to LAST POST HERE T-BONE!, 01-08-2003 06:02:00  
Ok I see where I made a mistake Denny. I was assuming you were knocking the board and poster for wrong info when you were just saying there's other info on other websites available. I didn't take it to mean that. Sorry for the discontent and please accept my apology.

T_Bone



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Brian F. Williams

01-05-2003 12:32:07




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
As a machinist for 15 year and a veteran machinist in the US Navy. I will agree with Ford Man. 300 series is not magnetic and 400 series is magnetic. Although not usually as magnetic as steel or cast iron. 400 series will also rust. Alot of chrome in these versions of steel. I found that 400 series is easier to machine thatn 300.
Hope this helps.

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Glenn Ayers

01-05-2003 04:21:40




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
Here's a site that tells about the different grades of Stainless. seems that More nickel, chrome = less magnetic properties ... more corrosion resistance

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Ford Man

01-05-2003 00:21:54




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
Some stainless steel is magnetic . My refernce books are at work but off the top of my head I know that 300 series is not magnetic but 400 series is magnetic . 400 series is heat treatable and is used in knife making .

Ford Man



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JMS/MN

01-04-2003 21:51:29




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 Re: stainless steel in reply to ron, 01-04-2003 21:12:30  
Real stainless will not hold a magnet.



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